Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977
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Dropped by KAL?
Creepy crawly, that's what happens when you threaten people! Rain 5 and debonaire have done him a disservice after being serviced?
Creepy crawly, that's what happens when you threaten people! Rain 5 and debonaire have done him a disservice after being serviced?
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Heard from a kimchiland mat salleh in LHR that pariah bhai did get a reprieve from being dropped. Apparently his woeful grovelling and arselicking worked.......one reason he was sighted in MEL by someone in an earlier post was he went over there to plead with the EPA boss to intervene. This grovelling and arse licking of mat salleh was typical of him; heard that when he first failed his rte chk in KAL, he hisap zakar of a certain KAL mat salleh honcho named bill to intercede to be passed. Then the engine pod prang in NRT where again the begging and grovelling saved his skin....KAL must really like such shameless characters; maybe it makes them feel great to have a groveling bolehland latuk begging!
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MAS scams
Years ago, I was in Seattle for an acceptance/delivery flight of a B734 but Boeing refused to release the plane due to lack of financing. Enquiries to MAS HQ drew a blank and we sat around helpless. Finally after some protracted haggling for 2 weeks, Boeing finally released the plane.
Back in KUL, I found out from a Bank Negara bigwig that MAS was almost done in by their own greedy directors and political patrons. It seemed that after the 1991 Gulf war, there was a severe downturn in the aviation industry and a lot of leasing companies like ILFC, GPA, etc gave up their options to purchase B734s.
Earlier in the late 1980's to cater for expansion, MAS commissioned a study by a consortium of banks to look into air travel expansion and development in the domestic and regional market from the year 1990 onwards for a period of 7 years. After some seemingly exhaustive studies, this consortium of banks stipulated a growth of about 10% a year for 5 years tapering off before 1996, hence they recommended a 50%-70% increase in the B734 fleet. MAS then had about 15 B734's and the consortium consented to financing further purchase of up to 12 more B734 aircraft. This exhaustive study was tabled to the MAS board for approval. The consortium never heard from MAS again, but MAS shortly announced purchase of over 40 more B734s!!! So where did MAS get the financing for such a humungous aircraft order?
The BN official related that when the aircraft purchase study was presented, the MAS directors immediately see $$$ in front of their greedy eyes. The st up their own aircraft leasing companies like Bunga Raya, bunga Cengkeh etc to be based in the Carirbean British and American Virgin Islands. These were $2 shell companies but got their financing from greedy US banks......SO THEY DID NOT NEED FINANCING FROM THE CONSORTIUM OF MALAYSIAN BANKS!!!
After the Gulf War in 1991 caused a downturn in the aviation sector, international aircraft leasing companies like ILFC and GPA quickly cut their losses and rejected their options for more B734 purchases. THE MAS DIRECTORS JUMPED AT THE CHANCE TO EXPEDITE THEIR PURCHASE BY TAKING OVER THOSE OPTIONS, hoping to make a killing with their shell companies. All was well and dandy for a few months until the US financers stop pumping money as they know that the end game was near...so the shell companies set up by the greedy MAS directors and their corrupt political patrons were starved of cash and they couldn't pay Boeing for the planes. Hence when we turned up in Seattle for aircraft acceptance and delivery, Boeing wanted nothing to do with us!
So the MAS MD went back to the Malaysian consortium of banks to help bail out the mess.....they told him to fly a kite! So he went begging around in the UK and US, and finally managed to get some financing at exorbitant rates.
I was sceptical of this revelation until I found evidence.....before financing was choked off from the shell companies in the British/American Virgin island; the B734s had proud Malaysian leasing companies like bunga cengkeh, bunga mawar on their owner's plaques in the cockpit. Aircraft that came after the financing debacle had MAS as the owner!!!
So MAS was a money buffet train ravished by our own $$$$ hungry demons. No hope lah; it is forever the same story till today.
Back in KUL, I found out from a Bank Negara bigwig that MAS was almost done in by their own greedy directors and political patrons. It seemed that after the 1991 Gulf war, there was a severe downturn in the aviation industry and a lot of leasing companies like ILFC, GPA, etc gave up their options to purchase B734s.
Earlier in the late 1980's to cater for expansion, MAS commissioned a study by a consortium of banks to look into air travel expansion and development in the domestic and regional market from the year 1990 onwards for a period of 7 years. After some seemingly exhaustive studies, this consortium of banks stipulated a growth of about 10% a year for 5 years tapering off before 1996, hence they recommended a 50%-70% increase in the B734 fleet. MAS then had about 15 B734's and the consortium consented to financing further purchase of up to 12 more B734 aircraft. This exhaustive study was tabled to the MAS board for approval. The consortium never heard from MAS again, but MAS shortly announced purchase of over 40 more B734s!!! So where did MAS get the financing for such a humungous aircraft order?
The BN official related that when the aircraft purchase study was presented, the MAS directors immediately see $$$ in front of their greedy eyes. The st up their own aircraft leasing companies like Bunga Raya, bunga Cengkeh etc to be based in the Carirbean British and American Virgin Islands. These were $2 shell companies but got their financing from greedy US banks......SO THEY DID NOT NEED FINANCING FROM THE CONSORTIUM OF MALAYSIAN BANKS!!!
After the Gulf War in 1991 caused a downturn in the aviation sector, international aircraft leasing companies like ILFC and GPA quickly cut their losses and rejected their options for more B734 purchases. THE MAS DIRECTORS JUMPED AT THE CHANCE TO EXPEDITE THEIR PURCHASE BY TAKING OVER THOSE OPTIONS, hoping to make a killing with their shell companies. All was well and dandy for a few months until the US financers stop pumping money as they know that the end game was near...so the shell companies set up by the greedy MAS directors and their corrupt political patrons were starved of cash and they couldn't pay Boeing for the planes. Hence when we turned up in Seattle for aircraft acceptance and delivery, Boeing wanted nothing to do with us!
So the MAS MD went back to the Malaysian consortium of banks to help bail out the mess.....they told him to fly a kite! So he went begging around in the UK and US, and finally managed to get some financing at exorbitant rates.
I was sceptical of this revelation until I found evidence.....before financing was choked off from the shell companies in the British/American Virgin island; the B734s had proud Malaysian leasing companies like bunga cengkeh, bunga mawar on their owner's plaques in the cockpit. Aircraft that came after the financing debacle had MAS as the owner!!!
So MAS was a money buffet train ravished by our own $$$$ hungry demons. No hope lah; it is forever the same story till today.
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What's this got to do with the topic guys???
Well the upside is that the spinoffs help keep this thread alive and interesting.
Just met a chap whose ex girlfriend's mother was killed in the MH 653 hijack in 1977. Because of the that, the girl vehemently opposed his decision to take up flying, ending their romance eventhough eventually they came back as good friends. The psychological trauma of losing a loved one in a plane tragedy really cause her to completely reject another loved one's passion for flying.
He's hoping that with the thread alive, some pertinent info will surface as word got around so that some non SEA forum guys will have a look and thereby jogging up some foggy recollection of the tragedy.
Just met a chap whose ex girlfriend's mother was killed in the MH 653 hijack in 1977. Because of the that, the girl vehemently opposed his decision to take up flying, ending their romance eventhough eventually they came back as good friends. The psychological trauma of losing a loved one in a plane tragedy really cause her to completely reject another loved one's passion for flying.
He's hoping that with the thread alive, some pertinent info will surface as word got around so that some non SEA forum guys will have a look and thereby jogging up some foggy recollection of the tragedy.
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Babu Family
Babu Ganjoors, Family have moved on and done well for themselves. Daughter is a good friend of mine and now lives in NZ.
His wife shuttles between India and NZ!
Did not have an opportunity to meet or know Babu, but if his daughter is a reflection of him, then I am sure he was a good man.
His wife shuttles between India and NZ!
Did not have an opportunity to meet or know Babu, but if his daughter is a reflection of him, then I am sure he was a good man.
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Lembujaga i agree, what goes around comes around.
Eventually their deeds catch up with people like these.
Was in touch with Capt Ganjoors son a few years ago.....first thing when i catch up with him again, i will convey the warm sentiments that are still there for him all these many years later.
People skills(or CRM) are still an important part of the job requirement.
Indian Airlines had a long tradition of senior pilots agressively passing on their skills and expertize to the juniors(much hands on flying!)
Sadly right now,things are not to good with Indian(now Air India)too
Eventually their deeds catch up with people like these.
Was in touch with Capt Ganjoors son a few years ago.....first thing when i catch up with him again, i will convey the warm sentiments that are still there for him all these many years later.
People skills(or CRM) are still an important part of the job requirement.
Indian Airlines had a long tradition of senior pilots agressively passing on their skills and expertize to the juniors(much hands on flying!)
Sadly right now,things are not to good with Indian(now Air India)too
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lsview and Wannabe.........Thank you so much on the update on the Ganjoors! Surely glad they are doing well and I certainly wish them all the best in all their endeavours.
Babu wasn't just well ahead of his time CRM wise; I think lembujaga also meant that he was a perfect gentleman with manners and a demeanour that command respect ( despite the sireh chewing! ). Many of us were greatly pained by what the rascal alluded to in this thread did to his widow and family, and sincerely hoped that natural justice will prevail eventually. Cheers to all!
Babu wasn't just well ahead of his time CRM wise; I think lembujaga also meant that he was a perfect gentleman with manners and a demeanour that command respect ( despite the sireh chewing! ). Many of us were greatly pained by what the rascal alluded to in this thread did to his widow and family, and sincerely hoped that natural justice will prevail eventually. Cheers to all!
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Alamak, Munajeeb and Benar..........you guys are really thick in the head. Why did you post about Tanjung Gemuk, Masjid PD and pariah encounter at Tullamarine? Now you have scared of sunny, rain and debby! They gonna get the polis dirosak to investigate your IP lah....messylah to give duit lasuah ala latuk!
Alamak, Munajeeb and Benar..........you guys are really thick in the head. Why did you post about Tanjung Gemuk, Masjid PD and pariah encounter at Tullamarine? Now you have scared of sunny, rain and debby! They gonna get the polis dirosak to investigate your IP lah....messylah to give duit lasuah ala latuk!
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Heard from a kimchiland mat salleh in LHR that pariah bhai did get a reprieve from being dropped. Apparently his woeful grovelling and arselicking worked.......one reason he was sighted in MEL by someone in an earlier post was he went over there to plead with the EPA boss to intervene. This grovelling and arse licking of mat salleh was typical of him; heard that when he first failed his rte chk in KAL, he hisap zakar of a certain KAL mat salleh honcho named bill to intercede to be passed. Then the engine pod prang in NRT where again the begging and grovelling saved his skin....KAL must really like such shameless characters; maybe it makes them feel great to have a groveling bolehland latuk begging!
Well, just heard from someone nightstopping in the sandpit, the grovelling and arselicking didn't work...........the pariah latuk is put to pasture. Sorry for guys in AK and firefly, he gonna knock on your doors!
Coming back to Ganjoor's insurance payout.........I guess it was only the company PA that was honoured; the LOL did not kick in. Also, I guess the company PF was paid out. Not too sure if expats contributed to KWSP.
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I think the expats do contribute to EPF. Once their work permit expires and they leave the country, they are entitled to withdraw their loot. Not like the lion city down south which hold onto the CPF until you're almost dead at 65!
Leftseatview and wannabeflyer,
Babu Ganjoor was one of the formative influences on my flying career. As a boarding school brat I got to know him as he lived near my folks in Malaysia.
He gave me great encouragement when I was applying to the airways training scheme (Hamble) and I recall long chats about life and culture in India.
After I'd finished school, and before I started my eventual flying course, I spent 6 weeks in India travelling by myself. The trip was only possible because Babu convinced my folks that I would be safe and could look after myself. His guidance was crucial to say the least!
I didn't know his family, but I 'm sure it will give them a great boost to know that people like me still cherish his memory.
BSD.
Babu Ganjoor was one of the formative influences on my flying career. As a boarding school brat I got to know him as he lived near my folks in Malaysia.
He gave me great encouragement when I was applying to the airways training scheme (Hamble) and I recall long chats about life and culture in India.
After I'd finished school, and before I started my eventual flying course, I spent 6 weeks in India travelling by myself. The trip was only possible because Babu convinced my folks that I would be safe and could look after myself. His guidance was crucial to say the least!
I didn't know his family, but I 'm sure it will give them a great boost to know that people like me still cherish his memory.
BSD.
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Babu Ganjoor was one of the formative influences on my flying career
BSD, my johnny come lately friend.....it's still great to have someone come and stand up for Babu after 32 years! Wish it had been sooner after 178 posts on Pprune. I too wished I had discovered this stuff on PPrune earlier.
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This from Pprune archives
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But I remember, and I also remember being sick to the stomach back then when that fellow did what he did but as you guys know he was powerful then and nobody would do anything!!!!!
But I remember Babu as a great Captain and certainly a gifted operator with CRM skills back then that surpass anybody in todays cockpits.
God bless you Babu and rest in peace, we know the real story and what was done to a desperate and broke wife with a young daughter to take care off.
Wooblah.
But I remember, and I also remember being sick to the stomach back then when that fellow did what he did but as you guys know he was powerful then and nobody would do anything!!!!!
But I remember Babu as a great Captain and certainly a gifted operator with CRM skills back then that surpass anybody in todays cockpits.
God bless you Babu and rest in peace, we know the real story and what was done to a desperate and broke wife with a young daughter to take care off.
Wooblah.
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Hi, did you lived in Section 6, Petaling Jaya in the vicinty of Petaling Gardens? Babu used to live there and I believe his family continued to be there for some time after the tragedy. BTW, you were indeed fortunate to be trained in Hamble.......nice!
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Go search for Jet Airways recruitment in Malaysia thread or this link :
http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-281344.html
Enjoy the read.
http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-281344.html
Enjoy the read.
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Rajamuda, many thks for the link...too bad the thread is closed. Should have seen it earlier, maybe we could have posted something there. Pretty revealing stuff there too. Found something about the karma and retribution thing on the thread :
Gee, there really is something to this karma thingy, yikes!
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Well you know what goes around comes around. While the Bhai ..............xxxxx, his own wife, a pretty lass from India, was being fulfilled by a consenting ram rod. Of course all hell broke loose when Bhai got wind of the whims & fancies of his own desperate housewife. Capt. Frekin Macho kicked up such a bloody fuss which actually backfired! Bahi got himself legally thrown out of his house, as the house was father-in-laws wedding gift. How`s that for `Karma’. Woww, don`t fool around with this karma,hama,hama, stuff man!
5th July 2007, 14:28
Well you know what goes around comes around. While the Bhai ..............xxxxx, his own wife, a pretty lass from India, was being fulfilled by a consenting ram rod. Of course all hell broke loose when Bhai got wind of the whims & fancies of his own desperate housewife. Capt. Frekin Macho kicked up such a bloody fuss which actually backfired! Bahi got himself legally thrown out of his house, as the house was father-in-laws wedding gift. How`s that for `Karma’. Woww, don`t fool around with this karma,hama,hama, stuff man!
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