Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977
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Nice link..........heard this over at Visitors when nightstopping DXB. Someone just looked at the link and saw this: [QUOTE
WiraMelayu
8th July 2007, 09:42
Hi all, this sikh prick is a survivor like a hyaena. He bullies the juniors or anyone he perceives as weak/unsupported but grovels at the feet of those he perceives as superior.
I flew a few times with him as his F/O and came close to blows during night stops. As a consequence he got his arse licking buddies to give me hard times during flights with them. So you can see why guys are reluctant to take on him. When talking to fellow F/Os we realised that he was alway running down the Malays in front of the non Bumis and lambasting the Chinamen to the Bumis.
He had been trying to recruit for Jet since early last year; the " Indian " apology must have worked wonders that naresh goyal see it fit to reassociate with him.
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Apparently that F/O heard a nice story about why the pariah bai had bad and evil thoughts about chinamen..........
One day the bai went to see a shrink in KL complaining about his wife's obsession about the cleanliness and security of her expensive punjabi suits. It seems that her family was very rich in India and she was given gold thread laden Punjabi suits and very expensive shalwar kameezes as her bridal wardrobe. Also, the expensive big house as a dowry.....hence she had this hangup about her suits and house being robbed. The shrink told the wannabe latuk bai that it was not that abnormal to have such a fear but the bai said his wifey carried the fear too far.........
Doc : How badly did she fear losing her stuff?
latuk bai : Very bad.....my flight was cancelled, so I came home and found a chinaman in my closet. My wife was so afraid that her suits will be soiled or stolen that she hired the chinese laundry man to guard and preen her suits whenever I am away on night on flights, She needed a man for such things you know!
Doc : Aha...........OK, I know some traditional brew to cure her obsession; get her to take bakkut teh!
WiraMelayu
8th July 2007, 09:42
Hi all, this sikh prick is a survivor like a hyaena. He bullies the juniors or anyone he perceives as weak/unsupported but grovels at the feet of those he perceives as superior.
I flew a few times with him as his F/O and came close to blows during night stops. As a consequence he got his arse licking buddies to give me hard times during flights with them. So you can see why guys are reluctant to take on him. When talking to fellow F/Os we realised that he was alway running down the Malays in front of the non Bumis and lambasting the Chinamen to the Bumis.
He had been trying to recruit for Jet since early last year; the " Indian " apology must have worked wonders that naresh goyal see it fit to reassociate with him.
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Apparently that F/O heard a nice story about why the pariah bai had bad and evil thoughts about chinamen..........
One day the bai went to see a shrink in KL complaining about his wife's obsession about the cleanliness and security of her expensive punjabi suits. It seems that her family was very rich in India and she was given gold thread laden Punjabi suits and very expensive shalwar kameezes as her bridal wardrobe. Also, the expensive big house as a dowry.....hence she had this hangup about her suits and house being robbed. The shrink told the wannabe latuk bai that it was not that abnormal to have such a fear but the bai said his wifey carried the fear too far.........
Doc : How badly did she fear losing her stuff?
latuk bai : Very bad.....my flight was cancelled, so I came home and found a chinaman in my closet. My wife was so afraid that her suits will be soiled or stolen that she hired the chinese laundry man to guard and preen her suits whenever I am away on night on flights, She needed a man for such things you know!
Doc : Aha...........OK, I know some traditional brew to cure her obsession; get her to take bakkut teh!
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Babu
In respect for his wife and daughter who might read this someday, please do not reprint material about the exploits of the so called pariahs with the family. It is like sprinkling salt on an open wound, and would appreciate it if such comments were deleted. All know what happened lets not spread it about now.
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Why hide behind
It is unlikely that she will ever read this thread....so dont worry
But it must be highlighted what the LATUK GULU did on a pretex and boasted about it. Let his peer judge him now and I see more pilots in MAS hate him than like him. That says enough of his character.
But it must be highlighted what the LATUK GULU did on a pretex and boasted about it. Let his peer judge him now and I see more pilots in MAS hate him than like him. That says enough of his character.
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Never Say Never
World is too small ganga. I know the daughter regularly trolls sites, who knows what google will throw up. It is only respect due which should be given.
Just my opinion
Just my opinion
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Gerago's story
Ha ha ha, LOL.........great story, ah you boys on the scarebus in DXB's Visitors! How I miss the puris, masala thosai, chicken 69? Great place to hear juicy stories!
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RIP Capt Ganjoor
I think we are talking about 2 different "Families" here.(hope i am wrong)
My contact was with the Original family in India.....who to the best of my knowledge were untouched by the unscrupolous goings on for the compensation.
For the sake of rest to his soul(and ours)i hope his family in Malayasia (if they actually existed)too found their way in the world....even after coming across some(or only one)unethical character.
My contact was with the Original family in India.....who to the best of my knowledge were untouched by the unscrupolous goings on for the compensation.
For the sake of rest to his soul(and ours)i hope his family in Malayasia (if they actually existed)too found their way in the world....even after coming across some(or only one)unethical character.
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Well, just heard from someone nightstopping in the sandpit, the grovelling and arselicking didn't work...........the pariah latuk is put to pasture. Sorry for guys in AK and firefly, he gonna knock on your doors
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To lembujaga; please be advised that the Indonesian Captain in the JFK case has been totally cleared of any wrongdoing. He was on the correct taxiway as instructed by ATC. The ground truck strayed into his path on the blind side and hit one of the engine. So your pariah dato' was wrong to complain that KAL favored my countryman.
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Japanese Red Army involvement?
28th January 2009, 08:19 #93 (permalink) Molokai
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g-string?
Isn't this the chap who claimed to be a royal titled bloke who tried to fleece someone a couple years ago with fast track recruitment to Jet Airways? Now that Jet is almost belly up, those who got fleeced should go after his skin..........not only they lost money but the future doesn't look too bright.
In the land of the Rising Sun, the veteran pilots here don't have any recollection of the Japanese Red Army having any role in the MH653 hijack. However they did mention something about hostage taking in some AIG building in KUL in the 70s.
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The Japanese Red army thingy was a red herring made up to cover the tracks of the corrupted in the then M'sian govt. The PM then, however, did a nice thing...priests and religious heads from all the religions freely administered the last rites to the victims. It was a grand gesture of goodwill, which, alas, was not extended to other facets of Malaysian life.
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g-string?
Isn't this the chap who claimed to be a royal titled bloke who tried to fleece someone a couple years ago with fast track recruitment to Jet Airways? Now that Jet is almost belly up, those who got fleeced should go after his skin..........not only they lost money but the future doesn't look too bright.
In the land of the Rising Sun, the veteran pilots here don't have any recollection of the Japanese Red Army having any role in the MH653 hijack. However they did mention something about hostage taking in some AIG building in KUL in the 70s.
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The Japanese Red army thingy was a red herring made up to cover the tracks of the corrupted in the then M'sian govt. The PM then, however, did a nice thing...priests and religious heads from all the religions freely administered the last rites to the victims. It was a grand gesture of goodwill, which, alas, was not extended to other facets of Malaysian life.
1) Did the Japanese Red Army make any claim of responsibility? Normally terrorist organisations would like to make claims of grandeur if the were involved?
2) Did the Japanese Government make any statement wrt the involvement of their national/s in the tragedy?
3) Was the FAA, NTSB, IATA, ICAO involved in any meaningful way in the investigations?
4) What was the official findings by the Special Branch and UTK?
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RAT`s not in Firefly now, doubt MH will even look at him. Ex MH guys presently in AK would have had enough of his slime ball tactics while in MH. Nevertheless, I know this snake is a survivor! Those who have the latest on the Pariah Lato, please update. He is such a wacky character that it’s indeed interesting to read. Anyone know his watering hole. I`ll be in KUL next month, might just wonder across to catchup the latest!
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Totally agree, the pariah is a survivor as he arselicks the bosses and trashes his colleagues and subordinates; well that's how a pariah behaves anyway. Word is that he pulling out all stops to get KAL to call him back, again " code BROWN "!!!, see the brown stuff stuck to the pariah misai!
He used to brown nose the bigwigs around KL Hilton some years ago, I guess he is still scamming and scheming at the waterholes over there.
He used to brown nose the bigwigs around KL Hilton some years ago, I guess he is still scamming and scheming at the waterholes over there.
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Pariah's tricks
One of the oft used tricks of the pariah lato' is reverse psychology. He goes around claiming he is being " fixed " by someone to gain sympathy, then go around demonising his victim ( usually with his equally nefarious cohoots ) and go for the kill. Then he will get some stupid young uns to praise his exploits to high heaven; besides claiming that others have been ungrateful for the " help " he has rendered. If you believe him, he saved Mapa from being talibanised!!! very amusing claims but you find even old MAS idiots like I.I, EKC and the like believing and cosying up to him, real sad.
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Red Army connection
Well Vel,
Like someone posted, the Japanese Red Army link to the MH 653 tragedy was probably a RED HERRING ( pun intended )!!!
I don't remember the Japanese Red Army making any claims post accident, nor was there any other tangible link except some officials claiming that the CVR recording the hijacker with a Japanese accent. The claim of the accent probably stemmed from an inebriated bodyguard of the minister in question, speaking " manglish ".
Also, prior to the tragedy the Japanese Army was involved with some other hijacking in the middle of 1977 besides the earlier attack on the AIA building in KL. Add in the presence of the Cuban envoy to Japan, the powers that be conveniently and happily threw in this RED HERRING!
Like someone posted, the Japanese Red Army link to the MH 653 tragedy was probably a RED HERRING ( pun intended )!!!
I don't remember the Japanese Red Army making any claims post accident, nor was there any other tangible link except some officials claiming that the CVR recording the hijacker with a Japanese accent. The claim of the accent probably stemmed from an inebriated bodyguard of the minister in question, speaking " manglish ".
Also, prior to the tragedy the Japanese Army was involved with some other hijacking in the middle of 1977 besides the earlier attack on the AIA building in KL. Add in the presence of the Cuban envoy to Japan, the powers that be conveniently and happily threw in this RED HERRING!
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Air rage or hijack?
The claim of the accent probably stemmed from an inebriated bodyguard of the minister in question, speaking " manglish
A friend of mine sent me this piece of info from somewhere. It sounds similar to a case of drunken air rage. But why the need to force the pilots to fly to SIN, unless the hijacker already had a plan in mind.
Want another side to the story? Dunno if true or not. Got it from an retired government official who was often flying in and out of KL on government business. The plane went down not because of a traditional hijacking but a case of air rage. The hijacker was actually the bodyguard of the Minister of Agriculture. He got into a very serious argument with the captain of the flight who refused to take off unless the bodyguard handed in his pistol he carried to the captain as it was against the rules for the bodyguard to carry the pistol while on board the plane. The bodyguard refused and a serious argument ensured ending nearly into a fight. Eventually the bodyguard was forced to give up his gun to the safe keeping of the captain by ground officials and the plane took off. During the flight the bodyguard got up from the seat and made his way to the cockpit to recover his gun and honor. What exactly happened next is not really known. But the blame was put on the Japanese Red Army to cover for the real reason which would be very embarrassing for the government.
Just what an old gentleman told me many years ago.
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Air Rage or Hijack
This rumor has been making the rounds of many a conspiracy theorist. Nothing outlandish about it and could very well have been the case, however if the flight crew took the weapon away from him I would assume they would have locked it away somewhere on the flight deck or elsewhere and not kept it lying about. If that was the case how did the body guard find the weapon and manage to discharge it in the cockpit? Ooohhhh gives rise to many a conspiracy theory.
I am assuming someday the CVR will surface or at least the transcript and that will tell the truth and for that we all must wait and hope.
I am assuming someday the CVR will surface or at least the transcript and that will tell the truth and for that we all must wait and hope.
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The info I have is slightly but significantly different. Capt. Ganjoor initially refused to let the minister's bodyguard carry his gun onboard but relented later after much argument at the intervention of the PEN station manager who quoted a directive from MAS management allowing VIPs to have the weapons onboard.
The bodyguard was furious and became even more so after imbibing lots of alcohol........proceeded to the cockpit after threatening the cabin crew and the rest is history. However I have some doubts as to whether it was plain air rage or he and the minister had earlier planned something nefarious, especially the unwavering insistence to have his gun aboard. Coupled with the Captain's transmission that they were proceeding to S'pore after the hijack action; so this didn't seem a case of plain air rage.
The bodyguard was furious and became even more so after imbibing lots of alcohol........proceeded to the cockpit after threatening the cabin crew and the rest is history. However I have some doubts as to whether it was plain air rage or he and the minister had earlier planned something nefarious, especially the unwavering insistence to have his gun aboard. Coupled with the Captain's transmission that they were proceeding to S'pore after the hijack action; so this didn't seem a case of plain air rage.