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Well I guess the blokes are not poking fun, but they are just cheesed off that when these " lembab " guys passed the kacang putih ATPL they started to demand immediate respect and god like status. They behaved as if they had been wronged in the past and coleagues as well as management must atone for the slight they perceived that had been heaped onto them. To cover up for whatever inadequacies they perceived they had, they came up with puerile stories and anecdotes to lauch themselves into the big league.
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Somewhere over here in the sandpit, we heard some interesting stories about the old rabbit from the Korean F/Os in EY during his stint in Alteon Korea. Well guess he has moved on to " greater ' heights. Good for him.
Taufu is right, nobody begrudge their passing the " easier ' ATPL; well all the newer skippers had the easier one. However it gets a little tiring having to listen to the name dropping, concocted heroics etc.
As for saffy avian's ass scrape in LHR; well we all know about his short fuse and knee jerk ways. Nothing to do with ATPL, airmanship or piloting skills...just plain blown fuse.
Taufu is right, nobody begrudge their passing the " easier ' ATPL; well all the newer skippers had the easier one. However it gets a little tiring having to listen to the name dropping, concocted heroics etc.
As for saffy avian's ass scrape in LHR; well we all know about his short fuse and knee jerk ways. Nothing to do with ATPL, airmanship or piloting skills...just plain blown fuse.
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Taufupok.... How well remembered. The "lembab" fellas after passing the kacang puteh exam late, demanded direct B747 command. And then worked their pants off breaking all rules to get the required hours on the B737. Sigh !
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Ikan, very correct. Some had standing orders for crewing to call them for flights as much as possible and some even had deals with crewing boys to swap over longer flights for them to collect more hours for direct 744. Corruption again!
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Never Change sweet deals
The crewing department was a highly corrupt gang working to please guys who bought sweets and cigarettes for them. Saw with my own eyes. Fonze, Niki, Rabbit, and many more.
The bunch of ****s still cant even answer the phone properly. Highly inefficient and down right bodoh.
The bunch of ****s still cant even answer the phone properly. Highly inefficient and down right bodoh.
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dear wooblah, I have to disagree with you about MAPA as Malay Airline Pilots Association. MAPA leaders came from different race as well. Chinese, Indian and Malay. Infact the longest serving MAPA President was a Chinese guy, my good friend LEG ( not kaki). I can mention a few more non malay leaders and excos in MAPA that have lead since inception. We had great leader and not so "great", malay or otherwise. We had those who gave up first class travel for first officer and those who gave up 10 days of annual leave a year and those who allowed 150% bond on conversion training.
Now, about M of U. It is a binding document between the company and the pilots. It is the contractual obligation between employer and employees. You can call it any name but for as long as it is an agreement, it's still binding. It is the terms and conditions of employment which was there since formation of MAS. May be the interpretation of the M of U is in question. Then bring it to the court to decide.
Now, about M of U. It is a binding document between the company and the pilots. It is the contractual obligation between employer and employees. You can call it any name but for as long as it is an agreement, it's still binding. It is the terms and conditions of employment which was there since formation of MAS. May be the interpretation of the M of U is in question. Then bring it to the court to decide.
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10 days leave and 1st Class
I remembered the day Whose Lan went round canvassing the pilots to accept the 10 days leave in return to get the back pay that was due. And many stupid pilots went to the AGM and voted for the resolution or the majority of the stupid pilots didn't care what the MOU was. They just wanted to get the money. Now suffer all the pilots. Whose Lan and Pigmy got promotions.I can only sit back and see the agony on the present pilots faces. The executive enjoy 18 days of public holidays and 104 days of week ends and 30 days leave.. What do pilots get. 30 days and 8 days per month = 8 x 12 = 96 days ..and NO public holiday or weekends. Just as well I left. Ha Ha
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I would say it's 11 months X 8 = 88 days. Pls take note that if one take leave for the month, the full 8 days off will not be yours, ie. if you have 2 weeks annual leave in a month won't entitle you 22 non working days. One must understand that 42 days leave is equivalent to 30 days (2 days off in a week). Unlike other graded staff, they can be on non working days for 9 days but recorded as 5 days annual leave taken (monday to friday).
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Very sorry to hear about the state of affairs at MAS. I did a short spell as an expat captain on B737 at Subang in the early 90's, and have many great memories of screaming around PJ on two wheels in the crew bus and wonderful flying and nightstops in Malaysia. At the time flight ops compared very favourably with any company worldwide, and the copilots I flew with were keen, competent and very friendly and welcoming. MAS had an advantage over companies like SIA, in having a fleet of Fokkers,Twotters and 737's, on which the new lads could cut their teeth and hone their flying skills, before moving onto widebodies. Even then I felt that the pilots were let down by all the other departments, like HR and commercial, who were well below world standard.
Just before I left the company a new DFO was appointed, with connections to management, and the rot seemed to be setting in at MAS. A "night of the long knives" followed with senior management having to resign and then apply for their old jobs back. Political cleansing on a small scale.
If I have learnt anything in my 30 plus years in flying, it is that airlines must run on meritocrasy, and that people in management and training should be above average pilots. Political promotions lead to a break down in trust and respect. I can assure you that SE Asia does not have a monopoly on fast track promotions. A senior union position often leads to a management job in companies worldwide.
I hope that MAS turns it around and becomes successful. With a more balanced management and a change of mindset, the skies the limit.
Just before I left the company a new DFO was appointed, with connections to management, and the rot seemed to be setting in at MAS. A "night of the long knives" followed with senior management having to resign and then apply for their old jobs back. Political cleansing on a small scale.
If I have learnt anything in my 30 plus years in flying, it is that airlines must run on meritocrasy, and that people in management and training should be above average pilots. Political promotions lead to a break down in trust and respect. I can assure you that SE Asia does not have a monopoly on fast track promotions. A senior union position often leads to a management job in companies worldwide.
I hope that MAS turns it around and becomes successful. With a more balanced management and a change of mindset, the skies the limit.
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hi segajet, most of the copilots you probably flew with during early 90s left the company and are now successful else where. Better to stay outside and watch the rot rather than be in it...
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Segajet, many thanks for the good words. Welcome sight to see former expats with fond memories. Met with a former Ozzie now with KAL, he was so scathing about how bad he is treated in kimchi land compared to how nice we guys were to him! Cheers!
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Yo Tiger; when Leg was Mapa prez, things were chugging along fine until his vice prez made deals behind his back. Poor fella got caught up with some some devilish ideas concotted by his not so honourable deputy and things went downhill. Then came " magic " and the 1.5 +15 fiasco. I couldn't believe it that MAS pilots could be so dumb to have voted for it. Later Leg's former vice sign away f/o's travel privileges and join the management to set up the audit empire. Abuses of Mapa & management screwing both pilots and haemoraghing the company gave the camel enough ammunition to mount the bloody coup. I personally saw leg's former deputy coaching pigmy how to deal with the " herd " when pigmy took over Mapa. So the non Melayus had their own devils...hey 001 was an ex Mapa sec.
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Hi, how about making 001 and the pariah creep honorary melayus. 001 sure behaves like one and the pariah licks royal asses and wear latuk songkok rather than a turban!
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Hi Malaysian pilots, over here in India we heard some unsavoury anecdotes about a certain con man of Punjabi extract giving us Khalsa a bad name. He was dishonourably driven out of Mumbai some 8 to 9 years ago and I believe he is known in Korea as g-string. Is this the guy you guys alluded to? Was he really your union president? Ten years back we used to hear of claims that he is a royal pilot who flew your king around...was that all true? A lot of guys were taken in by his claims though a few had reservations about such characters. If he had been your union president I am sure sorry for you guys. Cheer up, learn from your boo boos!
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ha ha ..LOL...g-string, how apt! Ya Akali Dal you got it right! Not union boss but he was MAPA ( Malaysian Airlines Pilots Association ) president. Screwed pilots with underhanded deals with management to get Audit Dept deputy boss job whilst maintaining post as MAPA prez. Signed away copilot's travel privileges without consulting other EXCO members, misused audit dept position for personal gains and junkets; then conned Dr Con in conjunction with another rat rol-and to be seconded to jet; then double dipping as alleged. A g-string indeed! The guys in kimchi land must really know more than we do to come up with that!
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You can't blame people for voting with their feet, and I guess the huge expansion in the Gulf has caused a massive drain on MAS.It is always sad to see talent leaving the country.
There is so much potential in Malaysia for huge profits that it would be tragic if things couldn't be turned around at MAS.
Thanks for some great memories and good luck for the future.
There is so much potential in Malaysia for huge profits that it would be tragic if things couldn't be turned around at MAS.
Thanks for some great memories and good luck for the future.
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Hi Tiger,
I think you will find that a MoU is not a contract at all and cannot be up held in a court of law.
G-string ha ah ha ha ah Thats a bloody good one, can just picture the crossdressing pr!ck in a black lace stringer up his crack. How does he continue to keep his dirty little hands in the industry!!!!!
I think you will find that a MoU is not a contract at all and cannot be up held in a court of law.
G-string ha ah ha ha ah Thats a bloody good one, can just picture the crossdressing pr!ck in a black lace stringer up his crack. How does he continue to keep his dirty little hands in the industry!!!!!