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why am i not surprised by drug abuse and all that crap happening in the local flying schools?MAS cadets can only be selected under the circumstances as below:1.Mesti Ada Saudara,their father is a captain or some big-shot manager in the company.2.It's a WHOLE LOT EASIER if you're a bumiputra. 3.It doesn't matter if you only score a despicable A in your SPM,but if you kowtow to me and show that you can adapt to our culture of kowtow-ing i might consider you.4.you're genuinely good and EXTREMELY lucky.
cheers all!
cheers all!
Malaysiacadet,Kentot B,
The problem is not the exam method or the patok. It is the problem with the younger generation that is not willing to put in the hard work to get themselves up to the mark,so they rely on patok tactic. Also,this attitude of condeming the process which you have yet to experience has just proven your lack of maturity
in the aviation industry. This company had made hundreds of people from school boys to widebody captains of the world most modern jetliners in less than 15 years. MAS trained WB cockpit crew for some other airlines like Jetstar,Jet airways,even Qantas.MAS pilots are being accepted in major airlines like KAL,EK,EY,some B737 captains are offered B777 command.Are we not any good? The huge number of people obtaining their ATPL in the 80s is because there were then so many people sitting for it as the company expand.Do you know how little people sit for their ATPL in the 60 or 70s?
The younger generation like Malaysiacadet will find entry into the airline especially hard as you had set your mind condeming the process.Learn to fly safely before you even think of landing yourself an airline job,be it as a second officer or captain.
The problem is not the exam method or the patok. It is the problem with the younger generation that is not willing to put in the hard work to get themselves up to the mark,so they rely on patok tactic. Also,this attitude of condeming the process which you have yet to experience has just proven your lack of maturity
in the aviation industry. This company had made hundreds of people from school boys to widebody captains of the world most modern jetliners in less than 15 years. MAS trained WB cockpit crew for some other airlines like Jetstar,Jet airways,even Qantas.MAS pilots are being accepted in major airlines like KAL,EK,EY,some B737 captains are offered B777 command.Are we not any good? The huge number of people obtaining their ATPL in the 80s is because there were then so many people sitting for it as the company expand.Do you know how little people sit for their ATPL in the 60 or 70s?
The younger generation like Malaysiacadet will find entry into the airline especially hard as you had set your mind condeming the process.Learn to fly safely before you even think of landing yourself an airline job,be it as a second officer or captain.
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i'm not a mas cadet but during my training days in melaka skool (u know which one) some of MAS cadet bringing in toyol during exam...in various shape. I'm not disputing their quality but that's life. Time changes. You have to adapt to pass. You have to sacrifice to pass. me too did some mug up..and my best friend, a MAS cadet always lend his toyol to me, hence the case of flying papers of toyol during exam is a norm. Just dont get yourself caught.
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dont worry, often people who bring in the toyol always ended up in the bottom of honor list in the batch. Most of the top cadets worked up their way during training and exams and they deserved it. Although i did admit i look at the toyol during exam, it never helped me much...because the note is not prepared by me so i dont really know how to use it. The most important thing is the flying part where we know, no toyols even hantus cant help us....
FYI toyol is the term given to small and hidden sheet of formulas smuggled into the exam..if you disputing the quality of the pembela toyol, they are now flying the narrow body birds of MAS, Air Asia etc. Seems everything okay so far...
FYI toyol is the term given to small and hidden sheet of formulas smuggled into the exam..if you disputing the quality of the pembela toyol, they are now flying the narrow body birds of MAS, Air Asia etc. Seems everything okay so far...
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Gentlemen,
I agree with "Flightleader" on the "generation" factor.
I see the quality of the rookies. Very diverse, I must say.
I wasn't much better when I was there as well.
Parties, last minute cramming, peeping ......he! he! toyols....sign language...the first smokes..hangovers....getting caught.......the apology....the pact....regret.. realisation......growth! ( goes to show how creative and resourceful you realise you can be when you need to be...ha ha ha ....genesis of a great pilot )
The kind of pilot/student you are at 200 hours does not in any way determine what kind of airline pilot you become.
The training enviroment in MAS is "ALIVE".
This is where boys become men. If they are lagging and scraping the bottom when they get online.........they eventually catch up and many become real top pilots in time.
Some of the "straight A's" straight everything guys who top the class at training school stop growing, have very few screw ups and dont know what they missed.
My IPs whacked the life, soul and spirit out of me when I was that " attitude problem " cadet. Today they are my best friends!
There is a saying:
Its your ATTITUDE and not your APTITUDE that determines your ALTITUDE.
When you get into a good airline with a strong legacy, unless you are really whacko! you should do alright.
Come on guys! Lets go out there and enjoy the flying.
I agree with "Flightleader" on the "generation" factor.
I see the quality of the rookies. Very diverse, I must say.
I wasn't much better when I was there as well.
Parties, last minute cramming, peeping ......he! he! toyols....sign language...the first smokes..hangovers....getting caught.......the apology....the pact....regret.. realisation......growth! ( goes to show how creative and resourceful you realise you can be when you need to be...ha ha ha ....genesis of a great pilot )
The kind of pilot/student you are at 200 hours does not in any way determine what kind of airline pilot you become.
The training enviroment in MAS is "ALIVE".
This is where boys become men. If they are lagging and scraping the bottom when they get online.........they eventually catch up and many become real top pilots in time.
Some of the "straight A's" straight everything guys who top the class at training school stop growing, have very few screw ups and dont know what they missed.
My IPs whacked the life, soul and spirit out of me when I was that " attitude problem " cadet. Today they are my best friends!
There is a saying:
Its your ATTITUDE and not your APTITUDE that determines your ALTITUDE.
When you get into a good airline with a strong legacy, unless you are really whacko! you should do alright.
Come on guys! Lets go out there and enjoy the flying.
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Hydraulics pipe leaking, soon complete failure
"Captain, WE're GOING TO DIE!!! I bought "Toyols" for ENGINE Failure, but didn't bring any for hydraulics failure"
Even better if he was the CAPTAIN. Imagine him telling the Co-pilot, I Don't Know What to DO!!!!!
"Captain, WE're GOING TO DIE!!! I bought "Toyols" for ENGINE Failure, but didn't bring any for hydraulics failure"
Even better if he was the CAPTAIN. Imagine him telling the Co-pilot, I Don't Know What to DO!!!!!
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Toyol or not toyol...
Where ever they're right now it doesn't matter as long as they can motivate themselves to become a genuine good pilot, my self took my CPL at 'kampong' flying school just south of CKG but by joining a top airlines such as MAS or others is like taking a small step for a bigger opportunities in the future. I see the problem with the fresh graduate pilots they like taking a short cut by letting the automation fly the a/c n never make their own calculation. N that is scary...but some of them are really willing to learn n becoming a good pilot, so with toyol or not it is up to them to decide.
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Maybe there is something Kentot said that touched some raw nerves. I remembered some very senior skippers even some in the previous flight operations management predicted that quite a few senior FOs were going to be career FOs. Names like fonz, sunny boy, rabbit oh oh etc were pandied around. Apparently these would be career FOs sat for their ATPL exams for donkey times in the 70s and 80s but " lengkup ed ". But by miracles of miracles when the exam format changed in the late 80s, they all passed comfortably in one shot. Wow!
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Didn't someone intimated somewhere that some old timers like the sir kondehless bai up in Soeul also tipu in cohoots with jpa fellas in the 70's for their equally kopi O lesen. So it it's not only the late 80s or 90s when we have dodgy 7 ups.
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Jaguh, Wira, Pendekar etc you guys must have joined MAS in the early and mid 80s. If you had sat for, and honestly passed the old ATPL exams with 7up, kudos to you. Your time spent must really be worthwhile as you know where you stand. In the 70's, there was a dark period where some pariahs dishonoured Malaysian aviation with their tipu ways. There were some whispers of that turbanless nasty, camel and some other chowkia pilots involved.
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Gee I wish I was born a lot earlier then!
I did the objective "kacang putih"/ "sap sap soi" ATPL la. 7up also. ( yes it was pretty easy )
Would have loved to do the old method ATPL and come out 7 up there as well, but what to do.......! sudah buat lo...!
Don't be so hard on all the "career FO's la" Bunny was a top Captain la.( Good friend also la) You guys won't know..... you are too senior to have been his FO' . (politics and personals aside)
At least they 7 up'ed the easy one. There are some who lingkup even this.
My personal experience is that " exam scores " though important, pale in comparison to some other "ingredients" that make a "good skipper".
Yeah.....heard about that. What a shame. More info please gents.
I did the objective "kacang putih"/ "sap sap soi" ATPL la. 7up also. ( yes it was pretty easy )
Would have loved to do the old method ATPL and come out 7 up there as well, but what to do.......! sudah buat lo...!
Don't be so hard on all the "career FO's la" Bunny was a top Captain la.( Good friend also la) You guys won't know..... you are too senior to have been his FO' . (politics and personals aside)
At least they 7 up'ed the easy one. There are some who lingkup even this.
My personal experience is that " exam scores " though important, pale in comparison to some other "ingredients" that make a "good skipper".
In the 70's, there was a dark period where some pariahs dishonoured Malaysian aviation with their tipu ways. There were some whispers of that turbanless nasty, camel and some other chowkia pilots involved.
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Beg to differ but the old rabbit was a basket case in the higher science and art of aviation. However he is ever the populist, seeking popularity and acceptance rather than substance.
Wooby has some good advice so despite bahkut's and paishinel's misgivings, there is always hope! What can be damaging is the ( sorry I have to paraphrase the toady pigme here! ) " herd mentality ".
Wooby has some good advice so despite bahkut's and paishinel's misgivings, there is always hope! What can be damaging is the ( sorry I have to paraphrase the toady pigme here! ) " herd mentality ".
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F/Os tend to hang onto every drivel that come out of these basket cases as they tend to be very loud. They drop names of the former bosses to impress besides coming out with great stories best left to inside crew lounges after several beers. So i can see how the bunny, sunny, nikki nor and their ilk get admirers amongst the young uns. Right Raj, real populist but when **** hits the fan it's exciting watching the white knuckles and squeaky voices!
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Ha ha, I remember sunny's diversion to batam I believe and also the bunny's diversion from JB. Very squeaky voices over the RT; no more the macho deep loud yakity yak!
While some of you sit around laughing at these 'carreer FOs', where some happened to past their ATPL in the new exam format,may I ask you that who would you prefer on your right hand seat?The freshy FOs these days came on the WB with minimum 737 experience whom happened to came out of flying schools with ATPL or these so called 'career FOs' who sat for the old format ATPL many times? Having passed the exam be it old or new format only gave them the licence. To be a real commander,one has to learn,build and survive it.Like B'ham said,it is alive. Having said that, it is ironic that jumbo captain had passed the old format ATPL,flown the jumbo for decades and yet sculptured the London runway with a jumbo's bottom,has he not learn enough or are we all just human here??
Everyone has his way of life,we should respect that.Making fun of others from the top(worse still from outside the circle) would be highly inappropriate.I would suggest to those having too much free time to look into continue contribution to the aviation industry in Malaysia.Instead of counting your ever
reducing EPF withdrawer at 60,why not look into putting some effort into ground/simulator instructing,I bet your experience would benefit the younger generations.
This one for those Rabbit shooter: The old rabbit is gonna be the 1st Malaysian to be rated on the 787 and will be conducting training,now that is something we should all be happy about!
Everyone has his way of life,we should respect that.Making fun of others from the top(worse still from outside the circle) would be highly inappropriate.I would suggest to those having too much free time to look into continue contribution to the aviation industry in Malaysia.Instead of counting your ever
reducing EPF withdrawer at 60,why not look into putting some effort into ground/simulator instructing,I bet your experience would benefit the younger generations.
This one for those Rabbit shooter: The old rabbit is gonna be the 1st Malaysian to be rated on the 787 and will be conducting training,now that is something we should all be happy about!
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Career FO
The point here is the "career FO's" had problems passing exams. ie their knowledge is insufficient to be commanders. Who would I have them on the right hand seat. Makes no difference.
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Passing your ATPL old way or new way, is not a good indication of whether you have enough knowledge to be a commander. Its more of how much effort you put into passing the exams.
I still laugh about Sunny.....we all still do.
Yes some had a smirk on their face when they heard about the misadventures if Nikki.
Lets leave it at that la.....poking fun at a few fellas who took an awfully long time to get their ATPL. Ok la call them "lembab" la if you want.
On the other hand, one must also remember and acknowledge that some of the " sharper " 7 ups and sprites are absolutely hopeless pilots.
Some people get their ATPL early, get their command early, join management so early on their first command. Sit in the office as they move up........never actually realising that they stopped learning a couple of decades ago.
I still laugh about Sunny.....we all still do.
Yes some had a smirk on their face when they heard about the misadventures if Nikki.
Lets leave it at that la.....poking fun at a few fellas who took an awfully long time to get their ATPL. Ok la call them "lembab" la if you want.
On the other hand, one must also remember and acknowledge that some of the " sharper " 7 ups and sprites are absolutely hopeless pilots.
Some people get their ATPL early, get their command early, join management so early on their first command. Sit in the office as they move up........never actually realising that they stopped learning a couple of decades ago.