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Since when did it become a right to wear black trousers and the white pilot shirt minus the epaulets? Thats retarded. Its all about blending in and not drawing attention to yourself. This is what everyone wears in the training center, regardless of experience or phase in training. However during phase checks and the JCAB rides the attire is more formal, ie jacket.
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I guess our Japanese Instructor was wrong then to tell us that it was proper to wear the pilot uniform (minus the epaulets) with dark pants and tie. We were told this day 1. I'll be sure to tell all of the 20+ year Aloha veterans that they are merely candidates, not pilots and need to earn the right to wear that white pilot shirt with no epaulets. I guess ANA made a mistake on our ID's by putting pilot and not candidate on them. Whats retarded is that you think anyone around here can tell the difference between a company issued shirt versus one from anywhere else.
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further proof from an email...
Man those guys are getting snappy. I thought you
gave good advice. EVERYONE wears pilot shirts and slacks. Anyway, if not, it was still pretty funny to read.
Take care,
Scott
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further proof from an email...
Man those guys are getting snappy. I thought you
gave good advice. EVERYONE wears pilot shirts and slacks. Anyway, if not, it was still pretty funny to read.
Take care,
Scott
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"I guess our Japanese Instructor was wrong then to tell us that it was proper to wear the pilot uniform (minus the epaulets) with dark pants and tie. We were told this day 1."
Make sure that you don't ask questions from your instructors in front of the group, and the translators in the training center are a good source of cultural information.
"I'll be sure to tell all of the 20+ year Aloha veterans that they are merely candidates, not pilots and need to earn the right to wear that white pilot shirt with no epaulets."
Experienced pilots understand that when you change from one job to another and from one A/C to another you start at the bottom, I'm sure that they are comfortable with their current status as any experienced pilot would be. Until you all pass your training your current status is that of a candidate
"I guess ANA made a mistake on our ID's by putting pilot and not candidate on them. Whats retarded is that you think anyone around here can tell the difference between a company issued shirt versus one from anywhere else."
That is a perfect example as to why presumptions turnout to be wrong when you don't understand the culture
I wish you and all other candidates good luck in training, we look forward to see you out on the line
Make sure that you don't ask questions from your instructors in front of the group, and the translators in the training center are a good source of cultural information.
"I'll be sure to tell all of the 20+ year Aloha veterans that they are merely candidates, not pilots and need to earn the right to wear that white pilot shirt with no epaulets."
Experienced pilots understand that when you change from one job to another and from one A/C to another you start at the bottom, I'm sure that they are comfortable with their current status as any experienced pilot would be. Until you all pass your training your current status is that of a candidate
"I guess ANA made a mistake on our ID's by putting pilot and not candidate on them. Whats retarded is that you think anyone around here can tell the difference between a company issued shirt versus one from anywhere else."
That is a perfect example as to why presumptions turnout to be wrong when you don't understand the culture
I wish you and all other candidates good luck in training, we look forward to see you out on the line
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Take a look at the Dominican's tone. He's trying to tell you something.
The Japanese don't take well to the Bull in a China shop approach. Ask a lot of the guys who've been shown the door (permanently) during the training.
Take it easy, don't let your feather's get ruffled by an perceived slights on your ability, experience or qualifications.
This is Japan, things are done differently, and it's their trainset. Fight them and it will be very difficult for you. Bend with the wind, adapt to the system and it will prove to be a lot easier and more pleasant. Especially true for those FO candidates, who hope to get through and eventually get the upgrade. I know, been there done that. Have the scars on my forehead from bashing my head against the brick wall.
This is meant as positive info, not criticism.
Good luck to all the pilots under training now.
Take a look at the Dominican's tone. He's trying to tell you something.
The Japanese don't take well to the Bull in a China shop approach. Ask a lot of the guys who've been shown the door (permanently) during the training.
Take it easy, don't let your feather's get ruffled by an perceived slights on your ability, experience or qualifications.
This is Japan, things are done differently, and it's their trainset. Fight them and it will be very difficult for you. Bend with the wind, adapt to the system and it will prove to be a lot easier and more pleasant. Especially true for those FO candidates, who hope to get through and eventually get the upgrade. I know, been there done that. Have the scars on my forehead from bashing my head against the brick wall.
This is meant as positive info, not criticism.
Good luck to all the pilots under training now.
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Don't presume that I am unfamiliar with Japanese Culture and nuances. I lived here long before coming to work here. And don't presume that my persona on this website is the same elsewhere. My advice is not misinformation. We were told in class on day 1, by a Japanese Instructor that this was proper attire. The only reason I come to this website is to help fellow pilots, period. Not to debate dress etiquette. If you think my advice sucks or is incorrect, then fine. I could care less. I guess I learned a valuable lesson today on trying to help people on this website.
Take care.
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Recently I submitted cover letter ana application form .
It has passed almost one month.
Are there many appicant for AJX 767 captain ?
What are they doning now in Honolulu ?
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It has passed almost one month.
Are there many appicant for AJX 767 captain ?
What are they doning now in Honolulu ?
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I received an e-mail from Parc today stating that AJV have stopped hiring DECs on the 767. Anyone on the inside know anything further? I applied through Crew as well a couple of weeks ago and have yet to hear from them. I should be qualified - over 21000 hrs tt and 3300 pic on the 757.
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I could ask one of the recruiters tonite, however the last time I posted the information I was run out of town and was told that my "bull in the china shop" attitude would get me in trouble here. Its my nature to help others so I will check into it for you.
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I received an e-mail from Parc today stating that AJV have stopped hiring DECs on the 767. Anyone on the inside know anything further? I applied through Crew as well a couple of weeks ago and have yet to hear from them. I should be qualified - over 21000 hrs tt and 3300 pic on the 757
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I certainly don't KNOW but it wouldn't surprise me if it is true. AJV is very captain-heavy, with most flights being flown with two captains, swapping seats for each leg. Add in the fact that there are a couple of FOs who are now due for their upgrade and it doesn't take Einstein to work out that it may be time for the Company to review in which seat they want to put their applicants. It's certainly an employer's market at the moment as I can't think of too many airlines who are taking on pilots, let alone taking on DECs. It's not all bad though; AJV is still probably one of the quickest promotions from the right to the left seat, so even joining as an FO (and having a job in today's market) is not going to be the end of the world forever......and you'll get really good at working the radio 
Can't speak for AJX but haven't heard of any DECs recently but that's probably just me being dull and not listening out
Can't speak for AJX but haven't heard of any DECs recently but that's probably just me being dull and not listening out
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It did not take very long for Parc to get back to me and that is nice to see.
AJV are indeed still hiring DECs. I received an e-mail yesterday with the T&Cs for both seats and then this morning I got another one stating that they would be hiring a few more captains. Now I just have to fill out the mountain of paperwork!
AJV are indeed still hiring DECs. I received an e-mail yesterday with the T&Cs for both seats and then this morning I got another one stating that they would be hiring a few more captains. Now I just have to fill out the mountain of paperwork!
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I interviewed the middle of October and was given the job offer pending my medical results. I had to do a medical recheck and my doctor said the results were ok. The ANA doctor has had the results now for 3 weeks and I have not heard anything. I also have already completed the phone call with the psychiatrist.
Several questions for you guys on the contract. If the ANA doctor did not like the results of the recheck, do you think I would have heard something by now?
Do you know if the January class has been filled?
I know the process is long but the wait is killing me.
Several questions for you guys on the contract. If the ANA doctor did not like the results of the recheck, do you think I would have heard something by now?
Do you know if the January class has been filled?
I know the process is long but the wait is killing me.
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still waiting also
I interviewed in mid September. I then did the medical here in the US around Oct.1. Last I heard, as of 2 weeks ago, the ANA doctor hasn't even looked at my results yet.
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I talked to my friend who is a recruiter and he stated that a.)The January class is full, they are now filling the next class b.) They will continue hiring for both seats.
Take this information for what its worth.
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Take this information for what its worth.
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There is a rumor floating around that they will stop hiring DEC's for AJV as well (they stopped hiring DEC's at AJX about a year ago) but so far they haven't pulled the plug. If you look at the effects of the economical downturn it only makes sense, right now AJV is pretty fat on captains and the loads have shrink down to half the loads that they were carrying just a couple of months ago, both FDX and UPS have canceled some slots in NRT and AJV picked up some of those slots and the guys have increased to about 45 hours a month but not as much freight as before (captains being paired together about half of the time) The slow down of deliveries and the problems with the 787 has left ANA with a lot of cash at hand from the sales of their hotels and that gives them a good cushion to wait out the world recession, they are betting that it would not last very long so they are continuing with their expansion plans to be ready for the increased flying from the expansion of HND and NRT. They are still receiving new 767's (both cargo and passengers) and the hiring of F/O's will continue for both AJV and AJX, the consensus among the line pilots is that they will stop the DEC hiring for a while because the economical downturn but they haven't yet.
