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Old 11th Sep 2019, 12:00
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tgo15 , 11th Sep 2019 16:48
Pilot life in Japan
Hey guys!
finally if everything is set, im ready to move to tokyo earlier next year.
But, i have no idea about living in tokyo. What i know is the company will provide me hotel during the training.. but after that my family will come to live with me.. my question is, which district should i search for house / apartment? i want a direct subway/train access to Narita Airport.. and international school around. And how much it will cost 2-3bedrooms room?
i dont know where else to ask.. im wondering if anyone of you currently living with your family in Tokyo. Any help would be great. Thanks!
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Stay in Spain and commute! You will end up not saving any money if you move to Tokyo! Even if you move to let's say Chiba, where you will be about halfway between the center of the city and Narita, It will be a little cheaper than Shinagawa for example, but a LOT more than Narita proper. The idea of taking this job is the flexibility of days off and be able to have some extra cash at the end of each month, if you spend all your salary just living it's simply not worth it to put up with the cultural nonsense you will have to endure daily!

I have an apartment in Narita by myself, and Narita is a lot cheaper than Chiba, and I spend north of 15,000USD a year between rent and utilities! An apartment in the city will be ridiculous money, with your family there with you, you will end up spending it all just living! Not worth it.

Just the transportation costs will be very high, you might think that •1,200 each way is not that much but it adds up, just transport from Chiba or Ueno roundtrip could easily add up to north of 180USD per month and that is without the occasional hotel room you will have to get the days that your showtime is too early to commute from the city! Costs just add up, besides there isn't a single pilot that lives in the city that hasn't pulled out the credit card and jumped in a Taxi for X or Y, Mi madre! That is a •40,000 taxi ride!

There are several pilots that are married to japanese ladies that I know that have tried it for a few years, out of those the ones that seem to make it work are the ones living in Narita, the rest that moved to the city with families end up moving back to the US or other places they were commuting from originally. A lot to consider.

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 02:34
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Originally Posted by tgo15 View Post
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tgo15 , 11th Sep 2019 16:48
Pilot life in Japan
Hey guys!
finally if everything is set, im ready to move to tokyo earlier next year.
But, i have no idea about living in tokyo. What i know is the company will provide me hotel during the training.. but after that my family will come to live with me.. my question is, which district should i search for house / apartment? i want a direct subway/train access to Narita Airport.. and international school around. And how much it will cost 2-3bedrooms room?
i dont know where else to ask.. im wondering if anyone of you currently living with your family in Tokyo. Any help would be great. Thanks!
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I would also add that you really should wait until you have completed training as there is no guarantee of passing. There have been some great pilots who did not pass. So do yourself a favor and wait until you are checked to the line, then search for housing.

I would also also recommend looking for something closer to Narita due to costs. Iím not sure where any international schools are located though.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 09:28
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Hello all,

First of all thank you for this very nice thread full of interesting information making it quite attractive.

I have a question, when you "back to back" your off + some Leave instead of making the 16/14, do you still get the 2 comunting days per month or you get only 1 on each side of your off period.

Not sure I am clear, but let's say for Jan-Feb month, you decide to spread your annual leave as 2 days per month, do you get :
- 18 commuting + 19-20 Leave + 21-30 Jan off + 31 Jan Commuting day + 1 Feb Commuting + 2-11 Feb Off + 12-13 Feb Leave + 14 Feb Commuting day
or
- 19 commuting + 20-21 Leave + 22-31 Off + 1-10 Off + 11-12 Leave + 13 Commuting

I know It may sound picky, but that's still 12 days /year difference.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 10:51
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This one:

- 18 commuting + 19-20 Leave + 21-30 Jan off + 31 Jan Commuting day + 1 Feb Commuting + 2-11 Feb Off + 12-13 Feb Leave + 14 Feb Commuting day
You get two commuting days per month and you would request it as you have written
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 22:25
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as far as commuting days go, I have heard of cases where, if the pilot takes days off in such a way that they do not work during a calendar month, then they do not get commute days for the month, eg if one takes 5 weeks off over a calendar. Not seen official policy but have heard this happening on the odd occasion.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 01:23
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Originally Posted by gtseraf View Post
as far as commuting days go, I have heard of cases where, if the pilot takes days off in such a way that they do not work during a calendar month, then they do not get commute days for the month, eg if one takes 5 weeks off over a calendar. Not seen official policy but have heard this happening on the odd occasion.
I have personal experience in this field. As long as you take a single vacation day during that month of all off then you get the two commute days. I spent over 6 months arguing with them 2 years ago about this. Finally they told me that if I would have just put a vacation day in the month of June I could have my commute days. Well, duh!!!! Why didn't you tell me that when I put my days off in? So we retroactively changed a day to vacation. Like pulling teeth with these people sometimes..
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Fratemate View Post
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You get two commuting days per month and you would request it as you have written
Thanks a lot,much appreciated
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 14:50
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Hey guys nice to know

Kinds of engine pratt witney - GE-rolls royce??
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Jocico_de_perro View Post
Kinds of engine pratt witney - GE-rolls royce??
767 has GE engines and the 787 is RR.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 23:17
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Obviously every situation is unique but any further info on why some of the guys didn't get through? or was it the usual suspects of not studying enough or making a name for themselves with the trainers.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 00:46
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Originally Posted by Chloeamgraham View Post
Obviously every situation is unique but any further info on why some of the guys didn't get through? or was it the usual suspects of not studying enough or making a name for themselves with the trainers.
I would love to tell you that was the case, it's a lottery!
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 02:46
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I would love to tell you that was the case, it's a lottery!
who would want to risk not passing the training if itís a lottery and leaving a old job and potentially becoming jobless?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Chloeamgraham View Post

who would want to risk not passing the training if itís a lottery and leaving a old job and potentially becoming jobless?
Historically the failure rates here vary from 20% to sometimes spiking at the 40% mark, this is not something new and we have been reporting it here for over a decade! Just go back and read.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:19
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Also the upgrade is far from a given! We have folks that have been turned down for stupid reasons! Do people make it? Sure! Do some folks fail because they didn't put in the work? Sure! Do some of the checkers hate their lives because they were sent here from mainline against their will so they want to make sure you hate yours? Absolutely!

This is NOT something new, so don't act surprised.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 00:41
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I wouldn't say it's a lottery.
In my experience a pilot who comes here with the attitude he/she knows everything and is going to teach the Japanese a thing or two about aviation will have major problems.
A pilot who comes here and accepts from day one that it's their airline, their rules and procedures (no matter how silly they seem), that they're in a foreign country and puts in a reasonable effort will generally succeed.
ATTITUDE is more important than anything else in Japan, no matter what you're doing.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 05:27
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It’s not a lottery.

Statistics are not not an accurate measurement, there are pilots that come here that have 99.9% prospect of passing and there are other with less than 50%. If you have struggled through your career with checks and retraining, give it some serious thought, but otherwise, it’s quite achievable. You don’t have a checker terminating training with impunity, they put a lot of thought into it, essentially they’re trying to get you through. Based on the number of pilots that we have, my guess is about 1% contribute to this forum, so it’s hard to get the full picture that is not colored by personal agendas. I suggest using your own professional network to locate a crew member that is here to get an accurate impression.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:38
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Travel Policy

Originally Posted by maxconthrust View Post
What's the ZED travel like here (e.g spouse/family/nominated, number of tickets)?

Also, if let's say I'm a resident of country A, but would like to commute from Country B to take advantage of lower cost of living, is that an option (for the C ticket).

Hi Gents,

Anyone to answer that one?
1.Are those ZED restricted to the pilot or is the family able to enjoy it?
2. On other Star alliances flights aswell?

Thank you

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 02:00
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Originally Posted by Chloeamgraham View Post

who would want to risk not passing the training if itís a lottery and leaving a old job and potentially becoming jobless?
Very easy answer, donít apply then.

Honestly, the amount of patience required to fly here is beyond what most western pilots would ever imagine, so if anyone are having these kind of concerns and know little about the country I advice to think twice.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 03:33
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Xavier,

1.Are those ZED restricted to the pilot or is the family able to enjoy it? It is the pilot and his 'eligible dependants'. They are spouse, children (unmarried and < 18 or unmarried, < 21 and in full-time education) and others as authorised by AJX. It normally does not include parents and 'nominated' people but, obviously, they MAY be authorised by AJX if there is a good reason.

2. On other Star alliances flights as well? Yes, Star Alliance and other IATA airlines with whom AJX has an Interline agreement.
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