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Old 4th Nov 2017, 14:39   #2701 (permalink)
 
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Obviously everyone has their reasons on whether or not to use the C Class commute or take the $2,000. I commute to the U.S. and always take the C Class.

1. Remember that you are not really getting $2,000 when you factor in income taxes and the price of purchasing the ZED ticket.

2. How much is not having to worry about loads, cancellation, etc. worth? For me $2,000 is not worth it. I enjoy knowing that I have a confirmed ticket and never have to worry about getting to/from work. My flight is also 12-14 hours so the business class seat is important to me.

3. The best part for me is the frequent flier miles. Obviously each airline program is different but for the airline I commute on I generally get around 800,000 miles a year. If you like to travel frequently then the miles are nice.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 22:09   #2702 (permalink)
 
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If you take the 2k option and don't get on the flight BACK to Tokyo how does that play out with the company? Or is the return flight to work always confirmed and the 2k is just for te outbound leg?
It would not play out very well with the Company at all if you weren't back in Japan for your next trip. If you take the $2000 then it's ALL up to you. There is no confirmation of ZED tickets, they are standby. The $2000 is all you're going to get for the month and you have to buy both the out and back tickets. I do like your optimism that it's $2000 to get you home and they'll buy you a confirmed ticket back to Japan but that isn't even close :-) You buy both ways and if you get left behind then you'd better have a Plan B.
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Old 4th Nov 2017, 23:46   #2703 (permalink)
 
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I do like your optimism that it's $2000 to get you home and they'll buy you a confirmed ticket back to Japan but that isn't even close :-) You buy both ways and if you get left behind then you'd better have a Plan B.
You'd think after working for a major airline for 10 years I'd know better than to be optimistic about airline policy! What's the saying, hope springs eternal?

Thanks for all your thoughtful replies everyone, I must say it's a tricky decision looking to join AJX, like every place I'm sure there there are plenty pros and cons. Compared to where am I at now you guys don't seem any where near as bitter and twisted though so that is refreshing. It is also one of the better jobs to get me and the family out of Asia and back to Australia.

I'll keep my eye on this thread to see any developments with Ts and Cs and if the introduction of the 787 improves your rosters and lifestyle etc. There goes that optimism again.

Safe flying.
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Old 5th Nov 2017, 14:22   #2704 (permalink)
 
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Hi All,

Great info in the thread, read through the entire thing. Is there any chance someone could PM a sample roster or two of what you guys are actually flying?

The Mid East is getting worse day by day, and AJX is looking like a decent option to get a little closer to home.

Thanks!
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Old 5th Nov 2017, 18:58   #2705 (permalink)
 
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Hi All,

Great info in the thread, read through the entire thing. Is there any chance someone could PM a sample roster or two of what you guys are actually flying?

The Mid East is getting worse day by day, and AJX is looking like a decent option to get a little closer to home.

Thanks!
Second this, a PM of a roster would be good to look at...
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:32   #2706 (permalink)
 
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Just been looking at Rishworth's brief for the contract and got a couple questions for you guys (I am asking Rishworth too)......

Their brief says the 24 days annual leave will be allocated in 2 equal periods during the year - does this mean that with Rishworth you can't add a days leave either side of your days off each month as described in this thread? Hoping that hasn't changed!

About the completion bonus ....... If an FO upgrades to captain after four years - do they miss out on the bonus and therefore effectively just get the bonus after completing their first Captain contract?

Thanks!


Edit: Had a reply from the lady at Rishworth who says the leave is allocated as 2 blocks of 12 and that it is rare to be able to add your leave to your monthly days off. Looked at Parc's advert again and they only mention 10 off plus 2 commuting. Longreach say 10 off, 2 commuting with "the possibility of adding 2 days leave" each month to make the block 14.

So to you guys currently working at AJX - how does it really work out at the moment?

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:11   #2707 (permalink)
 
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Up to now, the schedulers have been very flexible with the way we use our leave and days off. Basically, the 10+2+2 (commute days) are available each month of the fiscal year (April 1 to March 31). As long as you don't exceed these in 1 year you are OK. I have heard that the company will not give you commute days for a calendar month, if you take no days off in that calendar month.

What the future holds, who knows.

As far as the bonus goes, the FO bonus is frozen on the day you become a Captain and this amount is held until the original 5 year period is up, then it is paid out.If you leave before the 5 year period is up, you get nothing. On Captain qualification, a new 5 year bonus cycle starts.
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:47   #2708 (permalink)
 
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Up to now, the schedulers have been very flexible with the way we use our leave and days off. Basically, the 10+2+2 (commute days) are available each month of the fiscal year (April 1 to March 31). As long as you don't exceed these in 1 year you are OK. I have heard that the company will not give you commute days for a calendar month, if you take no days off in that calendar month.

What the future holds, who knows.

As far as the bonus goes, the FO bonus is frozen on the day you become a Captain and this amount is held until the original 5 year period is up, then it is paid out.If you leave before the 5 year period is up, you get nothing. On Captain qualification, a new 5 year bonus cycle starts.
Gtseraf - thanks for the info, it would appear that the Rishworth rep either has the wrong end of the stick or doesn't want to put anything in writing that isn't absolutely 100% guaranteed.......

As for the bonus that sounds sensible ... the cynical side of me assumed the FO bonus would disappear with an early upgrade ..... maybe I shouldn't be so cynical!!
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 03:15   #2709 (permalink)
 
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haha

stay cynical it's your best from of defence.

BTW, in the past, there were 2 contract companies, Parc and Crew, then IAC was included but they have very few pilots. Sounds like Rishworth are new to AJX, I don't know of any pilots employed by Rishworth here, so they may have very little experience of the REAL deal.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 23:35   #2710 (permalink)
 
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B757UK, you've got mail.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 20:31   #2711 (permalink)
 
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Hey guys,
In regards to the "C class" tix home, if I understand this correctly I can get a ticket on another star alliance carrier? The example I'm thinking of is my home town of Calgary (YYC). It is an Air Canada flight but is an ANA codeshare.

My second question is what happens if you move, can you change your home base during the contract? Could you have them fly you to HNL to meet up with family after a tour at work?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 02:23   #2712 (permalink)
 
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When booking your C class ticket, AJX will first of all try and use ANA. After that they will use a Star Alliance carrier and after that it'll be whoever flies to where you live. Some of the Australian commuters use Singapore Airlines (Star Alliance) but many use Qantas (OneWorld) and the Company does not seem to care too much, probably because SQ is so expensive even if it is Star Alliance. So, yes, if ANA doesn't fly to Calgary then Air Canada would be an acceptable means of getting you home.

If you move you just change the form telling them where you live and you'll get a ticket there instead. There's no problem with changing during the contract. If you have a 'home' in two places (and can show them evidence of such) then you can choose each month which one you want to fly to. Only one, though, not both :-)
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 08:30   #2713 (permalink)
 
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Hello guys,

I have a quick question. I believe that you guys have contract with CREW or Parc. Do they have any branches in Japan?

Thank you. Samurai
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 03:22   #2714 (permalink)
 
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I believe both have offices in Japan.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 15:20   #2715 (permalink)
 
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I believe both have offices in Japan.
Thank you, gtseraf. I could find address of Cae Parc office in Japan. It is Ginza Daiei Building 5F, 1-16-7 Ginza, Chuo-ku Tokyo, 104-0061,Tokyo Japan.

But I could not find any information of Crew's office in Japan. Anybody does have information about Crew office in Japan?

Samurai
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 23:53   #2716 (permalink)
 
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Hi Samurai, my apologies, I have been informed that CREW do not have an office in Japan, they are all in HNL.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 00:41   #2717 (permalink)
 
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I'd also like to get a sample roster just to see what things are really like.
Thanks.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:50   #2718 (permalink)


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Hi Lads,

Also as the above if anyone has a de-identified roster could you please PM it to me.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 18:40   #2719 (permalink)
 
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Hi Samurai, my apologies, I have been informed that CREW do not have an office in Japan, they are all in HNL.
Thank you, gtseraf.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 00:36   #2720 (permalink)
 
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I think 'sample' rosters are a bit pointless because there are far too many variables and I can tell you mine looks absolutely nothing like GTSeraf, so you're not going to get a feel for the flying that we do by examining a snapshot of a couple of months of work. The best thing to do is just assume that while you're in Japan then you're there to work and that you'll be visiting China a lot. There is plenty of day to night swapping, since the schedulers still do not seem to be able to grasp the fact that this is not a good thing. Occasionally you'll go to some nicer places, like BKK or SGN but some seem to get these trips more than others! Just plan on working 6 days in 7, getting disrupted sleep because of the day/night swaps and being an expert on PVG, CAN and XMN.....and then enjoying the very flexible days off system (it's why so many are still here). If you feel you can cope with this then apply. If it doesn't suit you then save yourself filling out the forms.
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