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Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:32
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Just been looking at Rishworth's brief for the contract and got a couple questions for you guys (I am asking Rishworth too)......

Their brief says the 24 days annual leave will be allocated in 2 equal periods during the year - does this mean that with Rishworth you can't add a days leave either side of your days off each month as described in this thread? Hoping that hasn't changed!

About the completion bonus ....... If an FO upgrades to captain after four years - do they miss out on the bonus and therefore effectively just get the bonus after completing their first Captain contract?

Thanks!


Edit: Had a reply from the lady at Rishworth who says the leave is allocated as 2 blocks of 12 and that it is rare to be able to add your leave to your monthly days off. Looked at Parc's advert again and they only mention 10 off plus 2 commuting. Longreach say 10 off, 2 commuting with "the possibility of adding 2 days leave" each month to make the block 14.

So to you guys currently working at AJX - how does it really work out at the moment?

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Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:11
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Up to now, the schedulers have been very flexible with the way we use our leave and days off. Basically, the 10+2+2 (commute days) are available each month of the fiscal year (April 1 to March 31). As long as you don't exceed these in 1 year you are OK. I have heard that the company will not give you commute days for a calendar month, if you take no days off in that calendar month.

What the future holds, who knows.

As far as the bonus goes, the FO bonus is frozen on the day you become a Captain and this amount is held until the original 5 year period is up, then it is paid out.If you leave before the 5 year period is up, you get nothing. On Captain qualification, a new 5 year bonus cycle starts.
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Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:47
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Originally Posted by gtseraf View Post
Up to now, the schedulers have been very flexible with the way we use our leave and days off. Basically, the 10+2+2 (commute days) are available each month of the fiscal year (April 1 to March 31). As long as you don't exceed these in 1 year you are OK. I have heard that the company will not give you commute days for a calendar month, if you take no days off in that calendar month.

What the future holds, who knows.

As far as the bonus goes, the FO bonus is frozen on the day you become a Captain and this amount is held until the original 5 year period is up, then it is paid out.If you leave before the 5 year period is up, you get nothing. On Captain qualification, a new 5 year bonus cycle starts.
Gtseraf - thanks for the info, it would appear that the Rishworth rep either has the wrong end of the stick or doesn't want to put anything in writing that isn't absolutely 100% guaranteed.......

As for the bonus that sounds sensible ... the cynical side of me assumed the FO bonus would disappear with an early upgrade ..... maybe I shouldn't be so cynical!!
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Old 22nd Nov 2017, 03:15
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haha

stay cynical it's your best from of defence.

BTW, in the past, there were 2 contract companies, Parc and Crew, then IAC was included but they have very few pilots. Sounds like Rishworth are new to AJX, I don't know of any pilots employed by Rishworth here, so they may have very little experience of the REAL deal.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 23:35
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B757UK, you've got mail.
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 20:31
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Hey guys,
In regards to the "C class" tix home, if I understand this correctly I can get a ticket on another star alliance carrier? The example I'm thinking of is my home town of Calgary (YYC). It is an Air Canada flight but is an ANA codeshare.

My second question is what happens if you move, can you change your home base during the contract? Could you have them fly you to HNL to meet up with family after a tour at work?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 02:23
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When booking your C class ticket, AJX will first of all try and use ANA. After that they will use a Star Alliance carrier and after that it'll be whoever flies to where you live. Some of the Australian commuters use Singapore Airlines (Star Alliance) but many use Qantas (OneWorld) and the Company does not seem to care too much, probably because SQ is so expensive even if it is Star Alliance. So, yes, if ANA doesn't fly to Calgary then Air Canada would be an acceptable means of getting you home.

If you move you just change the form telling them where you live and you'll get a ticket there instead. There's no problem with changing during the contract. If you have a 'home' in two places (and can show them evidence of such) then you can choose each month which one you want to fly to. Only one, though, not both :-)
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 08:30
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Hello guys,

I have a quick question. I believe that you guys have contract with CREW or Parc. Do they have any branches in Japan?

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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 03:22
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I believe both have offices in Japan.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 15:20
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Originally Posted by gtseraf View Post
I believe both have offices in Japan.
Thank you, gtseraf. I could find address of Cae Parc office in Japan. It is Ginza Daiei Building 5F, 1-16-7 Ginza, Chuo-ku Tokyo, 104-0061,Tokyo Japan.

But I could not find any information of Crew's office in Japan. Anybody does have information about Crew office in Japan?

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Old 4th Dec 2017, 23:53
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Hi Samurai, my apologies, I have been informed that CREW do not have an office in Japan, they are all in HNL.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 00:41
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I'd also like to get a sample roster just to see what things are really like.
Thanks.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 06:50
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Hi Lads,

Also as the above if anyone has a de-identified roster could you please PM it to me.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 18:40
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Originally Posted by gtseraf View Post
Hi Samurai, my apologies, I have been informed that CREW do not have an office in Japan, they are all in HNL.
Thank you, gtseraf.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 00:36
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I think 'sample' rosters are a bit pointless because there are far too many variables and I can tell you mine looks absolutely nothing like GTSeraf, so you're not going to get a feel for the flying that we do by examining a snapshot of a couple of months of work. The best thing to do is just assume that while you're in Japan then you're there to work and that you'll be visiting China a lot. There is plenty of day to night swapping, since the schedulers still do not seem to be able to grasp the fact that this is not a good thing. Occasionally you'll go to some nicer places, like BKK or SGN but some seem to get these trips more than others! Just plan on working 6 days in 7, getting disrupted sleep because of the day/night swaps and being an expert on PVG, CAN and XMN.....and then enjoying the very flexible days off system (it's why so many are still here). If you feel you can cope with this then apply. If it doesn't suit you then save yourself filling out the forms.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 14:49
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Adding to what Frate wrote...., It is true that everyone is not getting the same roster variations but besides that, what you need to understand is not what the rosters look like today for a new joiner but rather what they will look a year from now when somebody that is just starting the application process will actually be on the line.

As the 78 starts to get populated and takes on the passenger routes that are being done now on the 76, then the 76 at AJX will most likely be an all freighter operation with mostly China trips, the few Bangkok, Singapore cargo trips will be mostly for the first born preferred children, the redhead stepchild (A.K.A. New hire) will be doing nothing but freighter China trips with a mix of day trips and short rest overnight trips.

I don't mean to bring a sour note and like the rest of us I'm really just taking a guess as to how things will develop, but I believe this will be the most likely scenario.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 07:35
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Compared to what else is out there in the contract world this is still a good gig.
Yes the roster can be brutal at times, other times not so much.

So for all wannabes my advise is: Stop looking at and asking for details and instead take a good look in the mirror.
Am I ready to leave home for 17 days each month and work a hard schedule in a foreign land with a very different culture?
The reward being a brilliant days off system, fully booked commute in C-class, a pretty descent pay and working with a bunch of good guys, then this job is for You😉

Respectfully
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 15:17
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HD, Frate, Dom, et al - Is it possible just to grab a quick PM/info about how the day off system works? The brutal rostering I'm already used to, and everything else sounds like a breath of fresh air compared to the Mid East!

I've already thrown in an application with Crew, looking forward to hopefully seeing some of you guys in the future!
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 08:57
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You get 10 days off per month (actually 120 days off per year). You also get 2 commuting days each month, plus 24 days of vacation per year.

Some people will take 10 + 2 + 2 each month. Others will take 10 + 2 and save the vacation to be used in bigger blocks. It's all really up to you and it is the best bit of working for AJX. If they mucked around with the days off system then many would be looking elsewhere.

You can back-to-back months so, for instance, take the last 14 days of one month and the first 14 of the next. You'll then find yourself in Japan for a long time until the next lot of days off come around but at least you're able to do such a thing.

If you wanted to use, say, 4 days at the end of one month and 10 into the next, then that's fine. As you can see, it's very flexible and works 99% of the time.

Basically, you put in your days off request before the end of month, 2 months ahead (if you see what I mean). So February's days off request needs to be submitted by the end of December. On the 4th of each month AJX draw a line under the work moved around with ANA and they then start writing the rosters.....manually!! Occasionally they may run out of pilots and they might call you before 4th and ask you to move your days off. If you're able then it's a good thing to help out and do so. If you can't then they usually understand and move to the next pilot.

Vacation can be 'forward used'. By that I mean you don't have to accrue the 2 days each month before you can spend it. The leave year starts 1 Apr and if you 'spent' 12 days of vacation in Apr (plus your normal days off etc) then you just don't have the ability to add 2 vacation days to each month for the rest of the year.

The commuting days were put in place to attempt to protect your actual days off at home as days off i.e. not flying to or from Japan. The schedulers try, to a greater or lesser extent, to finish people early (ish) on their last day of work and, occasionally, start them late on their first day of work. Clearly this cannot work for everybody, especially if you take you days off along with others at popular times (month's end/start). If you do finish early then you can get going home on the last day of work and may only eat a bit into your commuting day. Same as the late start but you do have to be in Japan a minimum of 9 hours before report, so you can rest before a trip and this normally means being in a lot earlier than that.

We've been lucky enough to have this system for quite some time but it is starting to creak a bit at the seams, now we have many more pilots than previously. You might think that would give them more flexibility but their response is that they get more requests and, therefore, it is more difficult to keep everyone happy. The BIG problem is those who, as happens everywhere, spoil it for everyone by being selfish idiots and doing stupid things. Some have come back on ZED tickets (who are not 'tracked' by AJX) and arrived way too late before a trip. Others have gone home on ZED tickets when they're still on standby, 'because they can't use me'. Those sort of things that will eventually lead to the Company treating everybody as only the idiots should be treated and that will ruin the, currently excellent, system. If you use C class then the Company can see when you're coming and going and if it's not right then they'll tell you to change your ticket request.

I should also say that you can break your days off into shorter stints as well. Obviously, those that live in Japan might break them up into 4 blocks of 3.....just as an example.....whereas someone who lives in Hong Kong (made-up person) might want to have 2 blocks of 6. HKG being close and relatively easy to commute. The contract does talk of concurrent days but, as I said, they have been much more flexible than that and long may that continue.

Christmas, like every other company in the world, is a bit different and we have a system that is designed to allow a fair share of time off, based on what you've done the previous 3 years. I'm not going to complicate things by attempting to describe the whole thing but it's fair and you can see where you lie in the big scheme of things, so you can plan ahead. Just don't expect every Christmas off because it's not going to happen!

I think that's enough writing :-)
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 00:39
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Frate has summed it up pretty well.

Just to add a personal observation about back to back days off. It is possible to combine days off but that normally leads to doing a double stint in Japan. Beware! With the way we are worked, in general, this could lead to doing 30 days or more at 6 on 1 off, with a pretty brutal schedule. Very good way to feel like a total zombie at the end of it.
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