Air Japan (AJX) B767
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true, but...
ishy59 / absolutely.
Many thanks first of all for the insights.
I have some more questions, if I may.
I was under the impression that starting salary was 11 K + USD + a commuting allowance. Still a reasonable amount of money, even in EU, although the dwindling rate between the two is scary, I admit.
May I assume then that the opinions are based on the cost of living in Japan whilst 20 days ON? PLease correct me, if I got this all wrong...
Do you find the money problem is connected to the total gross salary or rather based on your net savings at the end of the month?
Please PM me, if you are patient enought to endure more questions of mine.. Many thanks again!!!
happy days in japan!
Many thanks first of all for the insights.
I have some more questions, if I may.
I was under the impression that starting salary was 11 K + USD + a commuting allowance. Still a reasonable amount of money, even in EU, although the dwindling rate between the two is scary, I admit.
May I assume then that the opinions are based on the cost of living in Japan whilst 20 days ON? PLease correct me, if I got this all wrong...
Do you find the money problem is connected to the total gross salary or rather based on your net savings at the end of the month?
Please PM me, if you are patient enought to endure more questions of mine.. Many thanks again!!!
happy days in japan!
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Chinos,
There are so many different salaries now I can't keep up with em all. Depends on when you joined and or when you were upgraded etc.
Our opinions on the US $ have nothing to do with the cost of living in Japan. They relate to taking money home to NZ, Oz or Europe where the exchange rate seriously sucks.
There are so many different salaries now I can't keep up with em all. Depends on when you joined and or when you were upgraded etc.
Our opinions on the US $ have nothing to do with the cost of living in Japan. They relate to taking money home to NZ, Oz or Europe where the exchange rate seriously sucks.
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ZED
Ishi...Good post...just a couple of questions. What do you mean when you say that AJV does not have the Facilities to allow Bussines ZED on other carriers? Maybe Im not understanding the process properly? If the "employee" is going to pay for the "Business ZED" lets say for UAL, what does AJX/AJV care if the employee spend a little more of his/her money to pay for a "stdnby ticket"???? We are just trying to get to work, right? The reason I ask this is if you were to look at any aircraft seat load with any of the "Star Alliance" carriers you will see that with ANA,UAL and others that Ecomomy class is ALWAYS overbooked, while Business typically has 5-12 seats open at any one time....would make sense I think? Just curious....thanks in advance.
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Yo Bro!
Congats on your Type!
Cheers,
Bonzai!
Congats on your Type!
Cheers,
Bonzai!
I guess that since you have your ATPL already you are trully DONE aren't you? Lucky DAWWWWG
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ZED
Webslinger
The zed situation seems to be confusing many people. Most guys (& gals) from USA, seem to be able to get business class zed tickets as a matter of course.
We have been told by AJX/V that the AGREEMENTS they have with other zed carriers DO NOT include the option of buying business class tickets. So, no matter what the pilots are prepared to pay or do, the business class option is just NOT available here.
We have pointed out the fact to our management that business class zeds are available on most carriers. They say it is not possible. Maybe ANA is just NOT PREPARED to reciprocate.
The company's attitude has always been that getting to work is the pilot's problem not theirs, hence commuting on days off.
Now that other jobs are available, both in Japan and elsewhere in Asia, where business class travel is offered maybe something will change.
As I have always said, potentially a great job but some small issues HAVE to be addressed.
The company should be providing pilots with CONFIRMED BUSINESS CLASS tickets to get to work and back, this zed nonsense is not a practical option.
The zed situation seems to be confusing many people. Most guys (& gals) from USA, seem to be able to get business class zed tickets as a matter of course.
We have been told by AJX/V that the AGREEMENTS they have with other zed carriers DO NOT include the option of buying business class tickets. So, no matter what the pilots are prepared to pay or do, the business class option is just NOT available here.
We have pointed out the fact to our management that business class zeds are available on most carriers. They say it is not possible. Maybe ANA is just NOT PREPARED to reciprocate.
The company's attitude has always been that getting to work is the pilot's problem not theirs, hence commuting on days off.
Now that other jobs are available, both in Japan and elsewhere in Asia, where business class travel is offered maybe something will change.
As I have always said, potentially a great job but some small issues HAVE to be addressed.
The company should be providing pilots with CONFIRMED BUSINESS CLASS tickets to get to work and back, this zed nonsense is not a practical option.
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I'll just add to what Ishi said and try and put this subject to bed!
Under the current arrangements at ANA, we at AJX/AJV will NEVER EVER get business class ZED's. It just aint going to happen. As far as I know not even senior management ANA captains can buy a business ZED on their own airline. ANA will not reciprocate with other airlines so it just aint going to happen.
I hope this helps the confusion.
Under the current arrangements at ANA, we at AJX/AJV will NEVER EVER get business class ZED's. It just aint going to happen. As far as I know not even senior management ANA captains can buy a business ZED on their own airline. ANA will not reciprocate with other airlines so it just aint going to happen.
I hope this helps the confusion.
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Made it!
Well I finally made it to Japan! Ran into some ANA guys at Jet Lag bar the other night.
I hope this works out, we are currently working 12 days a month with business class commute. Checked out coach, no way that I will commute that way. We are supposed to have 5 767's here soon so I guess they're serious.
Rob E-mail me if you have any questions. Hope to see you here soon!
Charlie
I hope this works out, we are currently working 12 days a month with business class commute. Checked out coach, no way that I will commute that way. We are supposed to have 5 767's here soon so I guess they're serious.
Rob E-mail me if you have any questions. Hope to see you here soon!
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Kougarok
I'll bite
Are you with the ABX operation?
Judging by what you're saying, you're definitely not with AJX/V
Seems ironic that AJV has to bring in a wet lease operation to do a lot of its flying, this operation's pilots are getting more days off, business class travel, better salaries than the AJV guys. Pretty much every point the pilots have been making a fuss about recently.
Management certainly has a great sense of humour, talk about rubbing noses in it.
I'll bite
Are you with the ABX operation?
Judging by what you're saying, you're definitely not with AJX/V
Seems ironic that AJV has to bring in a wet lease operation to do a lot of its flying, this operation's pilots are getting more days off, business class travel, better salaries than the AJV guys. Pretty much every point the pilots have been making a fuss about recently.
Management certainly has a great sense of humour, talk about rubbing noses in it.
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Oh yeah, sorry I am an ABX pilot. The schedule and business class commute is temporary until our management and Union can come to an agreement. It's sweet while it lasts though
Robiemartin is also an ABX pilot he actually taught me to fly in Nome, Alaska in 1980. I was his first student!
Sorry if anyone thinks we are stepping on their toes. But all I can say is thats big business for you. I am sure our management bid pretty low for this work.
I am in at the ANA gatetower hotel in Kansai for the next couple of days if anyone wants me to buy them a beer! And I am probably going to back at the end of September if our schedules and commutes stay the same.
Charlie
Robiemartin is also an ABX pilot he actually taught me to fly in Nome, Alaska in 1980. I was his first student!
Sorry if anyone thinks we are stepping on their toes. But all I can say is thats big business for you. I am sure our management bid pretty low for this work.
I am in at the ANA gatetower hotel in Kansai for the next couple of days if anyone wants me to buy them a beer! And I am probably going to back at the end of September if our schedules and commutes stay the same.
Charlie
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Why are you going to give that up in your new contract? Sounds EXACTLY like that contract SHOULD work.
Wouldn't want to do it without business-class commutes, business-class ZED on other carriers purchasable for your vacation, and 12-14 days off NOT INCLUDING the commute time.
Anything else, might as well stay state-side. Just a thought...
Wouldn't want to do it without business-class commutes, business-class ZED on other carriers purchasable for your vacation, and 12-14 days off NOT INCLUDING the commute time.
Anything else, might as well stay state-side. Just a thought...
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Hey Kouga.
You're not stepping on toes here, I would expect there would be very few pilots who are upset with you guys here. It would probably be a good thing. Sorry if I gave the impression I was pissed.
You should stick to a decent contract, DON'T accept coach for commuting.
You're not stepping on toes here, I would expect there would be very few pilots who are upset with you guys here. It would probably be a good thing. Sorry if I gave the impression I was pissed.
You should stick to a decent contract, DON'T accept coach for commuting.
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No problem ishi.
I think our schedule will be 3 weeks on 3weeks off with business class commute when the dust settles. It's up to our union leadership and management. I don't know if I am going to come over here for that long of a period.
I think our schedule will be 3 weeks on 3weeks off with business class commute when the dust settles. It's up to our union leadership and management. I don't know if I am going to come over here for that long of a period.
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Koug, welcome man.. Would love to join ya for a beer but not out that way very much.. I worked with great guys (Past and Present )from 1224 when I was involved with CAPA in Washington DC.. Hope to see some of you guys on the line..
cheers
BC
PS: As an AJV pilot, I think it is great y'all are out here.. It allows the company to grow while it tries to staff it's own planes!
)from 1224 when I was involved with CAPA in Washington DC.. Hope to see some of you guys on the line..cheers
BC
PS: As an AJV pilot, I think it is great y'all are out here.. It allows the company to grow while it tries to staff it's own planes!
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Ajv
This Japan thing looks very interesting,especially if its possible to get confirmed commuting seats.I am seriously thinking about joining.Anyone who knows any thing about training bond etc.etc.? is that common practice in japan that you have to sign a bond?
How many 767-300 freighters on order? anyone who knows...
Take care all of you
How many 767-300 freighters on order? anyone who knows...
Take care all of you
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Congrats to the fellas on finishing the most recent 767 course. Thanks for the passdown you guys in the March class gave, and the dinner invites to the "new" additions.
Cheers
jobear
attenuating at an alarming rate
Cheers
jobear
attenuating at an alarming rate
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AJV in january
Hi ! Anyone out there joining Ajv/Ajx in january?
Been very silent on this forum for a while.Everybody extremely happy or you working so hard no time left over for chatting?
Been very silent on this forum for a while.Everybody extremely happy or you working so hard no time left over for chatting?
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I think that the forum has been quiet with the recent failure of an entire course. Right now they are not gettiing as many through as they had hoped. It has to do with candidates, JCAB tests and the training.
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meguro
(interesting title!)
I'm happy to be Devil's Advocate.
Any chance of expanding on:
- failure of an entire course?? rumour or fact?? course of 2/6/10??
- candidates, what are the difficulties there??
- JCAB, well certain reputation for being far from the easiest authority but, yet again, a whole course (at what stage- sim check, line check??)
- training?? surely the ANA group train to get pilots to pass the JCAB checks?? or what have I missed??
Cheers and thanks
(interesting title!)
I'm happy to be Devil's Advocate.
Any chance of expanding on:
- failure of an entire course?? rumour or fact?? course of 2/6/10??
- candidates, what are the difficulties there??
- JCAB, well certain reputation for being far from the easiest authority but, yet again, a whole course (at what stage- sim check, line check??)
- training?? surely the ANA group train to get pilots to pass the JCAB checks?? or what have I missed??
Cheers and thanks