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Hi,
I have been reading this thread with interest since a while and I made the decision to apply as soon as I have the minimum experience (less than 400 hours to go). For the time being I am already on the B767 as a F/O, with 1300 hours on it under my belt, give it or take it.
I understand this job is offered through agencies (PARC, Crew, etc), what would be the best one to use? Any real differences between them? Hidden clauses on the contracts?
Thanks!
I have been reading this thread with interest since a while and I made the decision to apply as soon as I have the minimum experience (less than 400 hours to go). For the time being I am already on the B767 as a F/O, with 1300 hours on it under my belt, give it or take it.
I understand this job is offered through agencies (PARC, Crew, etc), what would be the best one to use? Any real differences between them? Hidden clauses on the contracts?
Thanks!
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simulator call-out
Hi everybody,
First of all thanks a lot for all the infos provided in this thread. I read it all form first page down to that 107th page and i admit it took me several days to go through it but defenitely worth it. It is very helpfull and well detailed. I think all has been said and that's even hard to find a question that has not been already discussed. And particularly thank you to Dominican and Fratemate who brought a lot of clarifications.
I am going for the screening soon, i am not rated on B767. In the briefing pack for the sim that i received (36 pages, revision Dec 2014) there are no call out. It has been mentionned several times that they are very strict regarding compliance with the profiles and call-outs but even though the profiles are well explained and the sequence well detailed in that guidance book, now i am wondering how does it work with the call outs.
I read in previous pages that someone pointed the same question, but it hasn't been replied or maybe that he got an answer via PM... anyway, could someone please let me know what are the call-outs ?
First of all thanks a lot for all the infos provided in this thread. I read it all form first page down to that 107th page and i admit it took me several days to go through it but defenitely worth it. It is very helpfull and well detailed. I think all has been said and that's even hard to find a question that has not been already discussed. And particularly thank you to Dominican and Fratemate who brought a lot of clarifications.
I am going for the screening soon, i am not rated on B767. In the briefing pack for the sim that i received (36 pages, revision Dec 2014) there are no call out. It has been mentionned several times that they are very strict regarding compliance with the profiles and call-outs but even though the profiles are well explained and the sequence well detailed in that guidance book, now i am wondering how does it work with the call outs.
I read in previous pages that someone pointed the same question, but it hasn't been replied or maybe that he got an answer via PM... anyway, could someone please let me know what are the call-outs ?
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Hi Kourbi,
I am replying here instead of PM so the information is available to all.
First of all they are not expecting you to know the AJX operation and our manuals inside-out and know all the calls but most airlines operate in a similar manner and that's no different to AJX. They do like their FMA changes to be announced by both pilots, so if you can get all the extra talking in that would probably make them happy. It takes a long time to get used to all of the extra yapping, so don't worry if you miss a few
As explained in the briefing pack, you will be expected to order the PM to manipulate the MCP when you're hand flying and you'll order him to change the CDU at all times i.e if you're hand flying or not......I know this differs to the way the rest of the world operates.
It doesn't matter so much if you use the precise words in the briefing pack, so long as you are clear and unambiguous. So, it is quite okay to say "Hdg Select", instead of "Hdg Select On" and it is quite okay to say "VS 500", rather than "Set VS On, 500 fpm". The important thing is to check the machine is doing what you ordered and the only way to do that is checking the FMAs and we call them out as a result. A typical event, while hand flying, might go something like:
PF: "Hdg select (right) 290"
PM: Repeats order, presses Hdg Sel and turns the selector right onto 290
PM: "290 set"
PF: "Checked".....the PM will always point out what he has set and the PF confirms it's correct
PF & PM: Having checked the FMAs.."Hdg Sel"
PM: "Right side clear"
PF: "Left side clear"
Yes, they call out before every turn because a couple of centuries ago someone got hit by a fighter and, somehow, talking lots proves you are maintaining a good 'outside watch' and that will stop you smashing into someone.....even though the fighter approached IMC from behind, below and in a turn and no amount of 'outside watch' from the airliner would have helped.
If changes to the CDU are ordered, the PM will repeat the order, make the changes and then wait for you to confirm them before he presses the 'Execute' button. So, another scenario might be:
PF: "Set CDU, intercept course of 336 from Rwy 34L"
PM: Repeats it and, while he's changing the CDU, will say something like, "Rwy 34L, intercept course 336". He'll select Plan on the HSI so you can see what the picture looks like and he'll then say "Standing by to execute"
PF: Check that everything is okay and then tell him to "execute"
Even our manuals have options e.g. "(Push) LNAV", so some people say "Push LNAV" and some say "LNAV", it really doesn't matter too much but the important thing is the FMA confirmation. It's unfortunate that a lot of the rest of world does the FMA confirmation silently whereas we make more noise with BOTH pilots announcing the FMA change.
I am replying here instead of PM so the information is available to all.
First of all they are not expecting you to know the AJX operation and our manuals inside-out and know all the calls but most airlines operate in a similar manner and that's no different to AJX. They do like their FMA changes to be announced by both pilots, so if you can get all the extra talking in that would probably make them happy. It takes a long time to get used to all of the extra yapping, so don't worry if you miss a few
As explained in the briefing pack, you will be expected to order the PM to manipulate the MCP when you're hand flying and you'll order him to change the CDU at all times i.e if you're hand flying or not......I know this differs to the way the rest of the world operates.
It doesn't matter so much if you use the precise words in the briefing pack, so long as you are clear and unambiguous. So, it is quite okay to say "Hdg Select", instead of "Hdg Select On" and it is quite okay to say "VS 500", rather than "Set VS On, 500 fpm". The important thing is to check the machine is doing what you ordered and the only way to do that is checking the FMAs and we call them out as a result. A typical event, while hand flying, might go something like:
PF: "Hdg select (right) 290"
PM: Repeats order, presses Hdg Sel and turns the selector right onto 290
PM: "290 set"
PF: "Checked".....the PM will always point out what he has set and the PF confirms it's correct
PF & PM: Having checked the FMAs.."Hdg Sel"
PM: "Right side clear"
PF: "Left side clear"
Yes, they call out before every turn because a couple of centuries ago someone got hit by a fighter and, somehow, talking lots proves you are maintaining a good 'outside watch' and that will stop you smashing into someone.....even though the fighter approached IMC from behind, below and in a turn and no amount of 'outside watch' from the airliner would have helped.
If changes to the CDU are ordered, the PM will repeat the order, make the changes and then wait for you to confirm them before he presses the 'Execute' button. So, another scenario might be:
PF: "Set CDU, intercept course of 336 from Rwy 34L"
PM: Repeats it and, while he's changing the CDU, will say something like, "Rwy 34L, intercept course 336". He'll select Plan on the HSI so you can see what the picture looks like and he'll then say "Standing by to execute"
PF: Check that everything is okay and then tell him to "execute"
Even our manuals have options e.g. "(Push) LNAV", so some people say "Push LNAV" and some say "LNAV", it really doesn't matter too much but the important thing is the FMA confirmation. It's unfortunate that a lot of the rest of world does the FMA confirmation silently whereas we make more noise with BOTH pilots announcing the FMA change.
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got a few questions for the guys who might be in the loop:
- how long does it take to upgrade as of now? Like maybe somebody knows of an actual person who upgraded recently or something similar to that...
- any rumors or maybe even some factual info on how long will this hiring last?
- could anybody maybe share an excerpt of a roster, to give an idea of how many days off you guys have in between the flights or maybe be so kind to provide a reference to a page where it was possibly already mentioned
Appreciate the reply
btw Fratemate, don't think I didn't read your post and ignoring you, just wondering if somebody else has something to contribute ..
- how long does it take to upgrade as of now? Like maybe somebody knows of an actual person who upgraded recently or something similar to that...
- any rumors or maybe even some factual info on how long will this hiring last?
- could anybody maybe share an excerpt of a roster, to give an idea of how many days off you guys have in between the flights or maybe be so kind to provide a reference to a page where it was possibly already mentioned
Appreciate the reply
btw Fratemate, don't think I didn't read your post and ignoring you, just wondering if somebody else has something to contribute ..
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Upgrade as of right now is from 4 1/2 years to just over 5 years. I am in the process currently and just completed my first contract. Of the 4 going through upgrade currently, 1 finished his first contract in January, 2 of us in March, and the other is in July.
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Guys thank you very much for all the really good inputs on this thread, it's the best.
Is there anyone on here who is married to a Japanese and lives in Japan thanks to the spouse visa?
I would like to get in contact and ask some questions.
Thank you very much
Is there anyone on here who is married to a Japanese and lives in Japan thanks to the spouse visa?
I would like to get in contact and ask some questions.
Thank you very much
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The interview medical
Does anyone know if the medical evaluation during the interview the same as the full class 1 medical?
Standing on one leg with my eyes closed is not a strong point
Cheers!
Standing on one leg with my eyes closed is not a strong point
Cheers!
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It's above and beyond the class 1. EEG, EKG, blood draw, numerous eye tests, chest x-ray, ear nose and throat stuff, general physician review, and yes they have an entire room dedicated to balance tests. Feet together, eyes closed, don't fall kinda stuff.
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I can't imagine any airline in todays world with 2 to 3 thousand pilots supplying each and and every pilot with there own full set of Jepp manuals......surely there is just a set on each plane with maybe a couple of sets in the office for reference material?!?!?!
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Captain Biggles84 Do the company supply jepps to individuals or the aircraft? Or is there IPADS or similar?
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I can't imagine any airline in todays world with 2 to 3 thousand pilots supplying each and and every pilot with there own full set of Jepp manuals......surely there is just a set on each plane with maybe a couple of sets in the office for reference material?!?!?!
Further your imagination with the joy of the weekly updates, where China seems to delight in issuing changes just for the fun of it and we get to sit there switching over bits of toilet paper. For the Japanese it's even worse; they highlight their charts like kids colouring books and then they have to do more drawing with the weekly changes
We don't have iPads, we have Apids (ANA/AJX Pilot Intelligence Devices)....I kid you not. They do look remarkably similar to the iPad Air and we have the Jepp app installed. Most of us have done the groundschool and simulator 'training' necessary to use the Apid but we are waiting for the crusty old men in the Ministry to give us the go-ahead for trials in the aircraft. Obviously, during this 'trial' we will also carry our other manuals. It sounds like no-one else has ever used them in actual flight, so we must be the trailblazers and that's the reason for all the delays and nonsense in using them . IF the JCAB finds the Apids are an acceptable replacement for the abacus and quills we might be allowed to use them all the time and get rid of all the paper that clutters up our flight bags. As Dom says, the prediction is Mar 2016 but I'm not holding my breath. We've had Apids for over 2 years already, so read into that what you will with the forward-thinking, modern, JCAB
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Come on Dom and Fratemate, surely your pulling my leg......I can't believe that about the Jepp manual!!!
Next thing you are going to tell me is that you don't wear pilot hats and fly around in STAR WARS painted planes, and that only 2 out of the last 5 guys got through the command evaluation last week!?!?!?
Next thing you are going to tell me is that you don't wear pilot hats and fly around in STAR WARS painted planes, and that only 2 out of the last 5 guys got through the command evaluation last week!?!?!?
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