PPL to support SIA Cadet Pilot app
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PPL to support SIA Cadet Pilot app
Hi guys,
Have just received rejection for my 2nd try at the 1st interview for SIA Cadet Pilot; I think I've failed to convince them that I'm really interested in flying, so would like to get PPL before I try again.
Any advice on which club to go for?
1. FRAS Flying Club
2. Elite Flying Club
3. Johor Flying Club
Would like the convenience of taking it in S'pore (i'm s'porean) but the S$20-30K cost estimate for local clubs like Republic of Singapore Flying Club is a big deterrent...
i've just turned 32 so time is not on my side, which is why i'm going to go full-time to get PPL then go for my 3rd and probably final try...
thanks in advance for your help
Have just received rejection for my 2nd try at the 1st interview for SIA Cadet Pilot; I think I've failed to convince them that I'm really interested in flying, so would like to get PPL before I try again.
Any advice on which club to go for?
1. FRAS Flying Club
2. Elite Flying Club
3. Johor Flying Club
Would like the convenience of taking it in S'pore (i'm s'porean) but the S$20-30K cost estimate for local clubs like Republic of Singapore Flying Club is a big deterrent...
i've just turned 32 so time is not on my side, which is why i'm going to go full-time to get PPL then go for my 3rd and probably final try...
thanks in advance for your help
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Years ago, a friend of mine with CPL/IR went for the 3rd round interview but unfortunately did not make it.
A PPL might carry a little weight but it certainly does not guarantee anything during the interview.
If u really wanted to take up PPL, then go ahead. Hope you don't have to borrow $20-$30K, else you'll be devastated if u fail the future interview.
Recently, another friend of mine went Malaysia to do a full course of ATPL(frozen). He has about 300hrs and a degree. Now still NOT employed as pilot!
Think carefully, mistakes could be expensive nowaday!
Unless u REALLY CRAZY about flying, go ahead and do all the flying CPL, ATPL and at the end of the day even if u do not make it..... at least you could say "I have tried my very best!" Have a clear conscience and move on from there!
If you're very rich, then just go ahead!But if financial is a topic to ponder about, then you better think TWICE x THRICE!
A PPL might carry a little weight but it certainly does not guarantee anything during the interview.
If u really wanted to take up PPL, then go ahead. Hope you don't have to borrow $20-$30K, else you'll be devastated if u fail the future interview.
Recently, another friend of mine went Malaysia to do a full course of ATPL(frozen). He has about 300hrs and a degree. Now still NOT employed as pilot!
Think carefully, mistakes could be expensive nowaday!
Unless u REALLY CRAZY about flying, go ahead and do all the flying CPL, ATPL and at the end of the day even if u do not make it..... at least you could say "I have tried my very best!" Have a clear conscience and move on from there!
If you're very rich, then just go ahead!But if financial is a topic to ponder about, then you better think TWICE x THRICE!
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If only you had checked this forum for past experiences of first timers much much earlier.
It does not follow that getting a PPL results in a huge boost to your attractiveness as cadet material.
How do you know that getting a PPL will, in your words, "convince them that I'm really interested in flying"?
The sequence of events (the rejections thus far, at the first interview stage, combined with the sudden and conveniently timed appearance of a PPL for the 3rd try at the first interview) will more likely show that you are trying to get in using devices you think will work, as opposed to proving a continued and lifelong interest in flying aeroplanes. It will stick out like a sore thumb that you look like someone trying to beat the system and you have to work even harder to overcome any prejudices that may have already formed.
The fact that you produce a PPL from Malaysia, at a convenient moment, at maybe half price, compounds this perception of merely trying to ace the selection process and not being the real you.
Sort of like trying to study for an exam using model answers only, and then showing the exam board how many books of ten-year series you studied, as opposed to demonstrating genuine subject knowledge and interest, don't you think?
Perhaps the harsh reality is that in spite of your self-claimed interest, whch has not been convincing so far, is that there are other factors which are not helpful to your potential of being a successful SIA cadet.
I suggest that you NOT get a PPL, from Malaysia or anywhere else.
It does not follow that getting a PPL results in a huge boost to your attractiveness as cadet material.
How do you know that getting a PPL will, in your words, "convince them that I'm really interested in flying"?
The sequence of events (the rejections thus far, at the first interview stage, combined with the sudden and conveniently timed appearance of a PPL for the 3rd try at the first interview) will more likely show that you are trying to get in using devices you think will work, as opposed to proving a continued and lifelong interest in flying aeroplanes. It will stick out like a sore thumb that you look like someone trying to beat the system and you have to work even harder to overcome any prejudices that may have already formed.
The fact that you produce a PPL from Malaysia, at a convenient moment, at maybe half price, compounds this perception of merely trying to ace the selection process and not being the real you.
Sort of like trying to study for an exam using model answers only, and then showing the exam board how many books of ten-year series you studied, as opposed to demonstrating genuine subject knowledge and interest, don't you think?
Perhaps the harsh reality is that in spite of your self-claimed interest, whch has not been convincing so far, is that there are other factors which are not helpful to your potential of being a successful SIA cadet.
I suggest that you NOT get a PPL, from Malaysia or anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by Thermal Image
How do you know that getting a PPL will, in your words, "convince them that I'm really interested in flying"?
The fact that you produce a PPL from Malaysia, at a convenient moment, at maybe half price, compounds this perception of merely trying to ace the selection process and not being the real you.
The fact that you produce a PPL from Malaysia, at a convenient moment, at maybe half price, compounds this perception of merely trying to ace the selection process and not being the real you.
unfortunately, i'm not rich nor young enough so local PPL, CPL and degree courses are not feasible.
i believe you are what you do: i want to be pilot, therefore i'm working towards getting into the cadet pilot program (which is the best way i know to become a pilot). i don't see how that makes me fake, unless you are implying that malaysian PPL can be obtained by just paying up...
so forgive me if i'm not ideal pilot material in your eyes, but if you think getting a cheaper malaysia PPL is a bad idea, maybe you can suggest something better than doing nothing?
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Originally Posted by eyke
of course, a PPL is no magic bullet, but at least it's better than empty words.
unfortunately, i'm not rich nor young enough so local PPL, CPL and degree courses are not feasible.
i believe you are what you do: i want to be pilot, therefore i'm working towards getting into the cadet pilot program (which is the best way i know to become a pilot). i don't see how that makes me fake, unless you are implying that malaysian PPL can be obtained by just paying up...
so forgive me if i'm not ideal pilot material in your eyes, but if you think getting a cheaper malaysia PPL is a bad idea, maybe you can suggest something better than doing nothing?
unfortunately, i'm not rich nor young enough so local PPL, CPL and degree courses are not feasible.
i believe you are what you do: i want to be pilot, therefore i'm working towards getting into the cadet pilot program (which is the best way i know to become a pilot). i don't see how that makes me fake, unless you are implying that malaysian PPL can be obtained by just paying up...
so forgive me if i'm not ideal pilot material in your eyes, but if you think getting a cheaper malaysia PPL is a bad idea, maybe you can suggest something better than doing nothing?
You are no stranger to the Internet. It is unlikely that you have suddenly come to know of PPRuNe. More likely you have been lurking here a long time or have been posting under some other nick.
Your style seems much like - I'm here, I want an answer, and I want it now. Much too busy to be looking for the answers on how to do it properly from the start, right? Only want help when it is clear that you have cocked up, right?
The question that invariably comes to mind for repeat applicants like you are, so what have you been doing to improve your chances since the first time? Hanging out on badminton and car forums does not count. Only now you want to do a PPL, and only for the sake of getting into the cadet program. As quickly and as cheaply as possible. Sounds like someone young (mentally), impatient and looking for shortcuts. Not cadet material at all. In my eyes only, but of course.
Your response also reflects your maturity: I tell you your idea won't work. So you tell me in the nicest way you can to give you a better answer or shut up. Doesn't take much for your attitude to surface, does it? I'm sure this came out at the interviews which is the real reason why SIA doesn't want you. Cocky to the last breath.
To borrow a metaphor from a recent event, I can tell you that your bakchormee sucks, but why should I have to give you an alternative recipe to validate my opinion?
Go ahead and spend the money then. Why should I even care? After all, it gives my friends something to do.
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Hey cool it people.
Please dont get so worked up we are all here to learn. Everyone can have their own opinion and goals so lets respect that and help as much as we can...isnt this the reason for a forum?
Many people can have many ways to get into the cadet pilot scheme. Some feels that getting a PPL might help them then go for it. Some feel it is totally unnessasary then dont get a PPL. As simple as that. Some love to fly and want to get a PPL to really ENJOY flying. Some just want to get into the airline and ONLY an airline to have a secure job and pay. To each their own.
I dare anyone here to say that all airline pilots in the world love flying. No way. There can even be a 50% of airline pilots only doing it for the money and maybe 50% that does it for the love of flying. So who are we to critised and judge? Like many other professions not everyone does it out of passion.
To me i feel that after failing twice, u still never give up and think of means to get in is already showing your strong determination.
One last thing please and again please DO NOT even have this mindset that because learning flying in malaysia is cheap so does its training standard! The reason why it is cheap is becos of currency and fuel prices and nothing to do with the training at all. In fact ask people who had learned flying in malaysia, is it easy to get a PPL there? You will get a justifiable answer i can gurentee u. Cheers and Safe Flying!
Please dont get so worked up we are all here to learn. Everyone can have their own opinion and goals so lets respect that and help as much as we can...isnt this the reason for a forum?
Many people can have many ways to get into the cadet pilot scheme. Some feels that getting a PPL might help them then go for it. Some feel it is totally unnessasary then dont get a PPL. As simple as that. Some love to fly and want to get a PPL to really ENJOY flying. Some just want to get into the airline and ONLY an airline to have a secure job and pay. To each their own.
I dare anyone here to say that all airline pilots in the world love flying. No way. There can even be a 50% of airline pilots only doing it for the money and maybe 50% that does it for the love of flying. So who are we to critised and judge? Like many other professions not everyone does it out of passion.
To me i feel that after failing twice, u still never give up and think of means to get in is already showing your strong determination.
One last thing please and again please DO NOT even have this mindset that because learning flying in malaysia is cheap so does its training standard! The reason why it is cheap is becos of currency and fuel prices and nothing to do with the training at all. In fact ask people who had learned flying in malaysia, is it easy to get a PPL there? You will get a justifiable answer i can gurentee u. Cheers and Safe Flying!
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unfortunately, the cut off age for s'porean ab-initio cadet pilots going into SIA is 31. So whether you take the PPL or not, it would seem unlikely you'd be given another chance.
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Air Asia? PULL YOUR BRAKES!
As far as I can remember, the DCA still impose restrictions on Non-Malaysian
to fly for local airlines.
One of my friends,a Singaporean with Malaysian ATPL(frozen) is still in Air Asia's waiting list since months ago. If he does get the "green light" from DCA, I'll update u guys here.....
As far as I can remember, the DCA still impose restrictions on Non-Malaysian
to fly for local airlines.
One of my friends,a Singaporean with Malaysian ATPL(frozen) is still in Air Asia's waiting list since months ago. If he does get the "green light" from DCA, I'll update u guys here.....
