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What about expat pilot (around 600TT) type rated but no experience on type?
What we are talking about is a goverment law or company policy?
And what is going to happen in the future?
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What we are talking about is a goverment law or company policy?
And what is going to happen in the future?
Thank you
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Originally Posted by Left Wing
JAJA, xpat Capts yes more than 200 already flying in India...LOW TIME NON TYPE RATED F/O (copilots) NO...XPAT FO = 500 HRS ON TYPE =320,NG etc etc...
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231862
PLS READ MY REPLY & Virtual Reality's reply..
and who cares what I think !
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231862
PLS READ MY REPLY & Virtual Reality's reply..
and who cares what I think !
thank you for the information!I feel rejuvinated for once!!For one i thought i was among the last ones training to be a pilot!!
good luck everybody
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As i type this, we have hundreds if not thousands of Indian nationals training to get their CPL and we'll definitely have enough Indian CPL holders to fill F/O slots in about a year or two...in the meantime I think u'll find a case by case approval from DGCA for expat F/O with experience , eg. ATR 42 rated and experienced.
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....
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Originally Posted by masalama
As i type this, we have hundreds if not thousands of Indian nationals training to get their CPL and we'll definitely have enough Indian CPL holders to fill F/O slots in about a year or two...in the meantime I think u'll find a case by case approval from DGCA for expat F/O with experience , eg. ATR 42 rated and experienced.
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....
It's gonna take a while though for India to be selfsufficent with commanders , at least 5 years or more....that's my point of view.....
Hi people please give me some more information.Having discussed with my friends the requirements for DGCA CPL, some dont have math and physics in high school and have a commerce background..
what is the quickest way for them to appear for these 2 exams? which board/univ. what time of the year to register??
IF in USA what mat & phy qualification to take so that it will be valid in india?
thanks to all.
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Hi people please give me some more information.Having discussed with my friends the requirements for DGCA CPL, some dont have math and physics in high school and have a commerce background..
what is the quickest way for them to appear for these 2 exams? which board/univ. what time of the year to register??
IF in USA what mat & phy qualification to take so that it will be valid in india?
thanks to all.
indonep
what is the quickest way for them to appear for these 2 exams? which board/univ. what time of the year to register??
IF in USA what mat & phy qualification to take so that it will be valid in india?
thanks to all.
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Hiya,
Minimum requirement for CPL is Higher Secondary (10+2) not High School (10th) as advised by your friends.
In India, for 10+2, you would like to enroll at Open school, with just required subjects. Examination conducted twice a year. www.nos.org
However, in US it is known as high school diploma grade 12 (as far as I know, please confirm it ). with online option with several schools. In this case you are required to take all the papers for both the subjects.
Please note, should you take it overseas (U.S.), you would need to get a evaluation done in India by Association of Indian Universities. www.aiuweb.org
Good Luck!
Minimum requirement for CPL is Higher Secondary (10+2) not High School (10th) as advised by your friends.
In India, for 10+2, you would like to enroll at Open school, with just required subjects. Examination conducted twice a year. www.nos.org
However, in US it is known as high school diploma grade 12 (as far as I know, please confirm it ). with online option with several schools. In this case you are required to take all the papers for both the subjects.
Please note, should you take it overseas (U.S.), you would need to get a evaluation done in India by Association of Indian Universities. www.aiuweb.org
Good Luck!
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conditional employment
PEOPLE thank you very much for all your replies. I have a new question for you all...
are you people aware of any airline in INDIA hiring fresh pilots (indian nationals) who only have a FAA CPL and are still in the process of clearing the DGCA PAPERS?
thank you
indonep
are you people aware of any airline in INDIA hiring fresh pilots (indian nationals) who only have a FAA CPL and are still in the process of clearing the DGCA PAPERS?
thank you
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so does it mean that I made a BIG mistake coming to USA for pilot training without clearing DGCA papers??
NO - If you thought you can give the conversion papers after getting back
So in your present condition you'll not even get a deaf ear by the airlines until you clear your conversion paper(s). That is you'll be unemployable in india until you have a DGCA CPL , Indian RTR+FRTOL.
I know this doesnt make things better but you should've been aware of this..
On the brighter side, hey.. most of them in training abroad are in ur same situation.. come back prepare clear the conversion papers and then carryon with your dream with a 6 month delay
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Indonep,
Its not really a big issue! As Haree said, you can go back and sit for papers but you should have known this before you comitted yourself for FAA. No harm though!
Good Luck!
Its not really a big issue! As Haree said, you can go back and sit for papers but you should have known this before you comitted yourself for FAA. No harm though!
Good Luck!
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Hi! People,
thank you for your replies.I come from a FAmily of pilots and I think that I have been slightly misunderstood here.I have all the required information with regards to the DGCA CPL. ithink I need to reframe my previous question.
Is any airline in INDIA giving Provisional Employment to tohse who return return with a CPL from foreign country- USA/UK/CANADA/AUSTRALIA ETC.
Provisional employment means that as soon as one cleares the DGCA papers & medicals he will be immediately in.
Basically its like reserving you "seat" even before you are fully qualified....due to the big shortage of pilots.
thank you people..
thank you for your replies.I come from a FAmily of pilots and I think that I have been slightly misunderstood here.I have all the required information with regards to the DGCA CPL. ithink I need to reframe my previous question.
Is any airline in INDIA giving Provisional Employment to tohse who return return with a CPL from foreign country- USA/UK/CANADA/AUSTRALIA ETC.
Provisional employment means that as soon as one cleares the DGCA papers & medicals he will be immediately in.
Basically its like reserving you "seat" even before you are fully qualified....due to the big shortage of pilots.
thank you people..
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How to land a high-flying job
Faced With Pilot Shortage, Jet Decides To Catch Them Early
Manju V | TNN
Mumbai: Thanks to the acute shortage of pilots in the country, one no longer needs a commercial pilot’s licence (CPL) to apply for a job. Jet Airways has kicked off a new scheme by inviting applications from students who have already cleared their ground training subjects and are currently being trained in flying institutes. No surprises for guessing that Jet is in the forefront of a trend with its new vacancy-filling tactics.
Taking note of the poor response to Indian Airlines’ call for applications from pilots a few months ago, Jet has evidently decided to book future CPL holders much before they enter the job market. Indian Airlines, which had called for applications from CPL holders to fill up 239 vacant posts for co-pilots, managed to fill up only 31 posts due to the pilot shortage. This despite the fact that a trainee\co-pilot takes home a pay cheque of Rs 1.5 lakh every month.
After a fleet-expansion spree last year, all airlines are battling pilot
shortages today. While the country’s airlines need about 1,000 pilots a year, only about 300 CPL holders enter the job market annually. To meet the shortage, the airlines bring in foreign pilots despite the fact that they have to be paid much more than their Indian counterparts.
In a determined bid to deal with the crunch, Jet decided to change its eligibility criteria for filling up vacant posts for co-pilots. The airline invited applications for the posts of trainee first officers for its Boeings and turbo propellers (ATRs) from holders of the CPL and ATPL (airline transport pilot’s licence) and also from students who had cleared the DGCA’s CPL (ground training) papers.
This in effect means that students who have a ten-hour or 100-hour flying experience and are training in flying clubs can line up for jobs as pilots in Jet Airways. However, a Jet source said preference would be given to students who were close to completing their 200 hours of flying—the minimum mandatory flying hours for earning a CPL.
Faced With Pilot Shortage, Jet Decides To Catch Them Early
Manju V | TNN
Mumbai: Thanks to the acute shortage of pilots in the country, one no longer needs a commercial pilot’s licence (CPL) to apply for a job. Jet Airways has kicked off a new scheme by inviting applications from students who have already cleared their ground training subjects and are currently being trained in flying institutes. No surprises for guessing that Jet is in the forefront of a trend with its new vacancy-filling tactics.
Taking note of the poor response to Indian Airlines’ call for applications from pilots a few months ago, Jet has evidently decided to book future CPL holders much before they enter the job market. Indian Airlines, which had called for applications from CPL holders to fill up 239 vacant posts for co-pilots, managed to fill up only 31 posts due to the pilot shortage. This despite the fact that a trainee\co-pilot takes home a pay cheque of Rs 1.5 lakh every month.
After a fleet-expansion spree last year, all airlines are battling pilot
shortages today. While the country’s airlines need about 1,000 pilots a year, only about 300 CPL holders enter the job market annually. To meet the shortage, the airlines bring in foreign pilots despite the fact that they have to be paid much more than their Indian counterparts.
In a determined bid to deal with the crunch, Jet decided to change its eligibility criteria for filling up vacant posts for co-pilots. The airline invited applications for the posts of trainee first officers for its Boeings and turbo propellers (ATRs) from holders of the CPL and ATPL (airline transport pilot’s licence) and also from students who had cleared the DGCA’s CPL (ground training) papers.
This in effect means that students who have a ten-hour or 100-hour flying experience and are training in flying clubs can line up for jobs as pilots in Jet Airways. However, a Jet source said preference would be given to students who were close to completing their 200 hours of flying—the minimum mandatory flying hours for earning a CPL.
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Indopop, although I do not come from family of pilots but I guess (with very little knowledge I have), I very well understood your question and replied accordingly! Which you also confirmed with your last post!
As stated in your last post, Jet would not hire unless DGCA papers are cleared! Try to understand, Jet can help in building flying skills/ hrs but not with DGCA exams. Once DGCA exams are cleared, Jet knows the only requirement left is flying hours which is not a big issue if papers are cleared!
So, NO JOB without DGCA papers.
In fact I guess you are confused and misunderstanding the information. There are two situations.
Lets put it this way:
1. An Indian student living in India, cleared all DGCA papers with 10/200 hrs applies for a Job!? Yes
2. An Indian student living overseas or India with JAA/FAA/CASA/CAA CPL with 10/500 Hrs!? NO (Unless DGCA conversion papers are cleared)
So what does above equates to; DGCA Papers First.
Whichever way you go, when you apply, you would need Clear in ALL DGCA papers, with or without flying hours.
From what I know, with DGCA papers cleared, airline is sure that one would not have problem with flying. But if they hire someone without DGCA papers, they do not know how long he/she would take to clear those papers!???
I hope this would help you understand your situation a degree better!? If not, do write back!
Good Luck!
As stated in your last post, Jet would not hire unless DGCA papers are cleared! Try to understand, Jet can help in building flying skills/ hrs but not with DGCA exams. Once DGCA exams are cleared, Jet knows the only requirement left is flying hours which is not a big issue if papers are cleared!
So, NO JOB without DGCA papers.
In fact I guess you are confused and misunderstanding the information. There are two situations.
Lets put it this way:
1. An Indian student living in India, cleared all DGCA papers with 10/200 hrs applies for a Job!? Yes
2. An Indian student living overseas or India with JAA/FAA/CASA/CAA CPL with 10/500 Hrs!? NO (Unless DGCA conversion papers are cleared)
So what does above equates to; DGCA Papers First.
Whichever way you go, when you apply, you would need Clear in ALL DGCA papers, with or without flying hours.
From what I know, with DGCA papers cleared, airline is sure that one would not have problem with flying. But if they hire someone without DGCA papers, they do not know how long he/she would take to clear those papers!???
I hope this would help you understand your situation a degree better!? If not, do write back!
Good Luck!
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thanx for the message.
I may have the whole world but ultimately its the DGCA papers that need to be cleared first. Gotta work for Jan 2007 exams as I expect to return by OCT End.
Is it true that someone who does flying first has a better understanding of DGCA exam stuff than those who do the theory by attending classes then come for flying lessons?
AS you also would have heard like me the rumors about DGCA undergoing major changes also that they will change the EXAMS style by issuing a book to study from and a question bank of about 1,000 questions to practice from.
Whatever they do,they should atleast make it computerised and friendly like the FAA in America.. Give the exam whenever you are ready & no waiting period of 3-3-3-3 months!!!
Do you people think anything is gonna happen in the near future?
I may have the whole world but ultimately its the DGCA papers that need to be cleared first. Gotta work for Jan 2007 exams as I expect to return by OCT End.
Is it true that someone who does flying first has a better understanding of DGCA exam stuff than those who do the theory by attending classes then come for flying lessons?
AS you also would have heard like me the rumors about DGCA undergoing major changes also that they will change the EXAMS style by issuing a book to study from and a question bank of about 1,000 questions to practice from.
Whatever they do,they should atleast make it computerised and friendly like the FAA in America.. Give the exam whenever you are ready & no waiting period of 3-3-3-3 months!!!
Do you people think anything is gonna happen in the near future?
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Hey mate you are getting smart! Good!
About DGCA, things are moving in right direction but as you know, it would take some time. Kaw Committee made some very strong recommendations for DGCA including, changes in Examination pattern. Lets see what comes up!
I agree with you that DGCA should at least publish sample test papers. Here in NZCAA, we get about 50 multiple choice question for all the subjects and I am sure it is similar in US!? I wonder how is it with DGCA? Do they have multiple choice pattern or descriptive? Does anyone know? It might help you to get in touch with someone in India and get some reference books.
About theory first or flying... I guess it is very subjective. I strongly feel it works both ways. And when flying, theory helps very little. One can not fly with reference to a guide or book. It is very much matter of practice! With my very limited exposure, I have seen that practical performance of theory scholars is very seldom as good as their theory performance and vise versa.
This happens because we have to use another medium in theory, e.i language! To make it simple for you; one can be very good in flying but if that person does not know the language, its not possible to clear theory papers. But again not passing theory does not make him/her bad pilot! So there is a strong need of ‘research in examination pattern of practical based subject’ such as, flying in relation to stress and other factors!
Flying is for sure very technical. All we can learn in theory are ‘fundamentals’ and that’s it! And feel, it is better to know fundaments before you taking practical. But I can be wrong as I said it becomes very subjective in case of practical subjects!
At the end it boils down to You, Iron and Air!
About DGCA, things are moving in right direction but as you know, it would take some time. Kaw Committee made some very strong recommendations for DGCA including, changes in Examination pattern. Lets see what comes up!
I agree with you that DGCA should at least publish sample test papers. Here in NZCAA, we get about 50 multiple choice question for all the subjects and I am sure it is similar in US!? I wonder how is it with DGCA? Do they have multiple choice pattern or descriptive? Does anyone know? It might help you to get in touch with someone in India and get some reference books.
About theory first or flying... I guess it is very subjective. I strongly feel it works both ways. And when flying, theory helps very little. One can not fly with reference to a guide or book. It is very much matter of practice! With my very limited exposure, I have seen that practical performance of theory scholars is very seldom as good as their theory performance and vise versa.
This happens because we have to use another medium in theory, e.i language! To make it simple for you; one can be very good in flying but if that person does not know the language, its not possible to clear theory papers. But again not passing theory does not make him/her bad pilot! So there is a strong need of ‘research in examination pattern of practical based subject’ such as, flying in relation to stress and other factors!
Flying is for sure very technical. All we can learn in theory are ‘fundamentals’ and that’s it! And feel, it is better to know fundaments before you taking practical. But I can be wrong as I said it becomes very subjective in case of practical subjects!
At the end it boils down to You, Iron and Air!
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AMERICAN SCHOOL OF AVIATION
Thank you for your message.
I am almost about to get my PPL!! Loads to study for the Stage Checks.
Just a word of caution to ALL..Please stay away from AMERICAN SCHOOL OF AVIATION located at ATWATER,CALIFORNIA ,USA(www.iflyasa.com)
I have been their victim and 100s of Indians are been victimised!
what they say/write on the website is all lies!! I signed a contract to be trained on PIPER SENECA....they dont even have the aircraft!!!
average flying per student per months is 6 hours...YES SIX HOURS PER MONTH!!! aircrafts are not airworthy..FAA grounds then often.
I feel really bad that hte owner is in Indian origin "PRINCE SINGH" and his egyptian american wife --ERENY KOZMAN... she goes on regular tours to INDIA...helps students get instant loans...people mortgage their houses for loan...
all the money is directly transfered to the school's account and they are stuck!!! No refunds... if you wish to transfer to another school...they threaten to cancel your visa!!!
Please people make everyone you can...aware about this school.SPecially Indians in Delhi/chandigarh/Punjab..thats where they do most of marketing besides Mumbai.!!
Thank You!
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I guess you are yet to be smart!
Something similar happened to one of my friend in U.S. but he was smarter then the flying school! He asked school director to pay back this fee or he would lodge a complaint. But Director did not bother and then... he actually lodged a complaint in Police with a copy to Indian High Commission and U.S. embassy in India. He won the case as he had written contract!
He not only got his fee back from that school but school was ordered to pay his living cost for that duration and he started CPL with another school!
So here you go... this happens because we let it happen. Remember you are paying for it and visa was issued for that school with 'given conditions' i.e. aircraft, hours, etc. School has no right to question your visa, infact they would never do this as the issue would bring bad name and government would be aware if the issue!
Rather, If you would have filed a complaint, they would have been forced to extent your visa till matter is resolved.
Never mind... but you should still let U.S. embassy in India know about this. Once you do this, they would just stop issuing visas for that school and no other student would be fooled!
Thanks for sharing anyway!
Something similar happened to one of my friend in U.S. but he was smarter then the flying school! He asked school director to pay back this fee or he would lodge a complaint. But Director did not bother and then... he actually lodged a complaint in Police with a copy to Indian High Commission and U.S. embassy in India. He won the case as he had written contract!
He not only got his fee back from that school but school was ordered to pay his living cost for that duration and he started CPL with another school!
So here you go... this happens because we let it happen. Remember you are paying for it and visa was issued for that school with 'given conditions' i.e. aircraft, hours, etc. School has no right to question your visa, infact they would never do this as the issue would bring bad name and government would be aware if the issue!
Rather, If you would have filed a complaint, they would have been forced to extent your visa till matter is resolved.
Never mind... but you should still let U.S. embassy in India know about this. Once you do this, they would just stop issuing visas for that school and no other student would be fooled!
Thanks for sharing anyway!
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FAA to DGCA
Is it true that as long as you are current all you have to do to get your Commercial license converted (FAA to DGCA) is the written tests? Furthermore, would instrument rating and multi-enigne carry over?
I spoke with an individual from a flying school and this is what I was told.
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I spoke with an individual from a flying school and this is what I was told.
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