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Thanks for the support CargoJock.
I forget to mention the PATHETIC ID ticket system in SQ. On the ONE ticket you get a year as a FO they will not upgrade you even if ECONOMY is FULL and Business is EMPTY!!!!! They will toss you off!!!!
SQ's arrogance dont allow them to sign good deals with other ZED participants because they feel that their product is superior!!!!
Well, enough said I think... If you are desperate for job, there are others to choose from!
SQ's arrogance dont allow them to sign good deals with other ZED participants because they feel that their product is superior!!!!
Well, enough said I think... If you are desperate for job, there are others to choose from!
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my boy ACMS! you've gone this far to brag about your airline. you guys should read this dude's post from the stinky harbour. what a tool! wait...how many are leaving CX again boy? it's because they have to fly with tools like you! late...
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I wasn't going to post anymore, but I have one thing to say...was ANYONE forced to sign a contract against their better judgement? Did you ask ANY questions before you signed?
That's all...out
That's all...out
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This Is Sq Cargo Forum
appreciate if you would leave CX habits out of this forum.
hey Left Coaster, nobody was forced to sign but asking questions we did ,however the answers we got compared to what we are experiencing now are way different or contraditing.
if we got answers at that time of what the operation looks now, rosters a mess/s$7000 allowance a dream/ no FO upgrades etc/ flying 30-40 hours / paxing ey 30-40 hrs, i do not think we would have signed.
simple ain't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey Left Coaster, nobody was forced to sign but asking questions we did ,however the answers we got compared to what we are experiencing now are way different or contraditing.
if we got answers at that time of what the operation looks now, rosters a mess/s$7000 allowance a dream/ no FO upgrades etc/ flying 30-40 hours / paxing ey 30-40 hrs, i do not think we would have signed.
simple ain't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BigPimpin: I'm not bragging about Cx, I have a few mates flying for SQ Cargo and I know a few of their gripes. Gripes that thankfully we don't have in Cx yet.
We have a lot of problems too, just that it is a little bit better.
We have a lot of problems too, just that it is a little bit better.
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Dear Leftcoaster
So you HONESTLY take us for complete idiots? Did you READ my posting?
OF COURSE I asked questions about upgrades! Answer: With your experience it will be quick! What they forgot to mention, LOCAL TERMS MIN. 5 years to be ELIGABLE for upgrade. When I found out, I asked if that was QUICK, they said the local cadets go 12-14 years. I then said I am NOT a cadet, I have already 7000 hours. The reply was, WE DONT HAVE A SYSTEM FOR THAT.
DID I ASK to be SCAMMED on 16 days of out of base allowance? NO!!! I did not ASK for that in the interview, because it is not something you ASK in an interview. Did you ask in your interview if they were planning to SCAM you?
GET REAL!
OF COURSE I asked questions about upgrades! Answer: With your experience it will be quick! What they forgot to mention, LOCAL TERMS MIN. 5 years to be ELIGABLE for upgrade. When I found out, I asked if that was QUICK, they said the local cadets go 12-14 years. I then said I am NOT a cadet, I have already 7000 hours. The reply was, WE DONT HAVE A SYSTEM FOR THAT.
DID I ASK to be SCAMMED on 16 days of out of base allowance? NO!!! I did not ASK for that in the interview, because it is not something you ASK in an interview. Did you ask in your interview if they were planning to SCAM you?
GET REAL!
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Excellent Response Torallin. To Leftcoaster and all the other pompous, "my watch is bigger than yours, I'm a better pilot than you" crowd looking in from the outside and passing judgement on us "morons" here at SIAC. We, like you, naturally did as much homework as possible before signing up. We are afterall cut from the same mold, right? However, there is only so much information one can acquire in advance. One has to take certain things on faith as advertised by the company. One comes to a job with certain expectations and assumtions based on a previous job. Eg, approximately S$7,000 PPA. I have been averaging $2,000 less than that. "Free" home base travel. My RT ticket costs $60 in direct taxes and the entire value ($2750) of the ticket is tacked onto my taxable income. "Generous Medical Insurance". The premium the company pays is tacked onto my taxable income. $3250 of other non-disclosed benefits is tacked onto my taxable income. No recovery rights on trips dropped due to AOCS time limits that are reached through no fault of your own. I just lost a 10 day trip because I was 3 minutes over on the previous one. That's over $3,000 in lost wages. My reward. 10 days of standby with no assignment, no priority for assignment. How were we supposed to know this before signing on the dotted line? My "research" eg on this forum brought mixed results. No one ever posted some of the things I just did.
Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad. There is a lot positive about this job: SIN is a great place to hang your hat for a few years, the A/C is great to fly, the layovers/hotels are nice, the pace of the job is very relaxed, the guys you fly with are great etc...It's just that many of us had an EXPECTATION based on advertised benefits, implied benefits and a contract. We gave the company the benefit of the doubt.
Caveat Emptor!
PQ
Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad. There is a lot positive about this job: SIN is a great place to hang your hat for a few years, the A/C is great to fly, the layovers/hotels are nice, the pace of the job is very relaxed, the guys you fly with are great etc...It's just that many of us had an EXPECTATION based on advertised benefits, implied benefits and a contract. We gave the company the benefit of the doubt.
Caveat Emptor!
PQ
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Senor Torallin...one question, you were quite upset about the staff travel issue, right? That's all I was referring to, that policy is clear, and no secrets hiding somewhere in the small print. The rest you are free to be unhappy about. I understand, really, I do.
PQcv76... If I am a pompous outsider and know nothing about what happens at SIA Cargo, fine, you are entitled to your opinions...
Just so you know, not many airlines left out there give away anything for free. Staff travel collects their pound of flesh almost everywhere, we are "taxed" at many different levels, including paying fuel surcharges to travel with companies we work for. Tax free countries get their revenue by letting the economy run wild and inflation go unchecked (rents etc in the ME) and claim to be tax free. Countries that have taxation will sooner or later tax any benefit you might get from your company. Is it all so frikkin' surprising? Sorry...not any more. We are simply working for whoever pays us, not for the "best" or the "worst" airlines in the world anymore. We have to get used to it. If I can make my job pay more by working from within to ensure that my T&C's improve I will, and if that that improvement helps others...great! But there is no "I am better than you are" here, and guess what? I wear the same watch as you... go to work the same way as you, and most likely put my pants on the same way as you. So judge as you will, just know there are thousands of us out there and all we want is fair, and balanced lives, working and otherwise. Safe Journey's...
Lefty
BTW: Just where DO you think I work?
PQcv76... If I am a pompous outsider and know nothing about what happens at SIA Cargo, fine, you are entitled to your opinions...
Just so you know, not many airlines left out there give away anything for free. Staff travel collects their pound of flesh almost everywhere, we are "taxed" at many different levels, including paying fuel surcharges to travel with companies we work for. Tax free countries get their revenue by letting the economy run wild and inflation go unchecked (rents etc in the ME) and claim to be tax free. Countries that have taxation will sooner or later tax any benefit you might get from your company. Is it all so frikkin' surprising? Sorry...not any more. We are simply working for whoever pays us, not for the "best" or the "worst" airlines in the world anymore. We have to get used to it. If I can make my job pay more by working from within to ensure that my T&C's improve I will, and if that that improvement helps others...great! But there is no "I am better than you are" here, and guess what? I wear the same watch as you... go to work the same way as you, and most likely put my pants on the same way as you. So judge as you will, just know there are thousands of us out there and all we want is fair, and balanced lives, working and otherwise. Safe Journey's...
Lefty
BTW: Just where DO you think I work?
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BigPimpin:............ I've just re read your post. I think I was being too nice to you.
If you bother to read my posts on the Fragrant Harbour site you'll hopefully note that I try to defend the Cx standards and training from all from all the bashing that is going on there, I try to inject some sense into some very disturbed people that don't fit into the Cx way of thinking. In doing so I have never said the management are wonderful or we have a fantastic contract.
My comments on this site related to the COS at SQ Cargo and in keeping the big picture in mind it appears our contract and rostering aren't all that bad when you compare it to SQ Cargo. So how does that make me a tool? I think I'm being pretty consistant accross the board.
My comments about SIA Cargo COS stand, I am happy that things in Cx haven't got that bad yet. I am glad I don't have to Pax in Y. I am glad my roster is fairly stable etc etc.
Understand my boy?
So who's the tool ey
If you bother to read my posts on the Fragrant Harbour site you'll hopefully note that I try to defend the Cx standards and training from all from all the bashing that is going on there, I try to inject some sense into some very disturbed people that don't fit into the Cx way of thinking. In doing so I have never said the management are wonderful or we have a fantastic contract.
My comments on this site related to the COS at SQ Cargo and in keeping the big picture in mind it appears our contract and rostering aren't all that bad when you compare it to SQ Cargo. So how does that make me a tool? I think I'm being pretty consistant accross the board.
My comments about SIA Cargo COS stand, I am happy that things in Cx haven't got that bad yet. I am glad I don't have to Pax in Y. I am glad my roster is fairly stable etc etc.
Understand my boy?
So who's the tool ey
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Winds Of Change
hi all ya,
my my the silence is because of the hefty bonus that was announced at 5.97 months. well thats remarkable.
it has been a very positive months as SQ CARGO just announced that they will go it alone from july 07.
also the ALPAS-S CARGO branch has started as the representatives for the cargo jocks. well this truely an achivement as they are affiliated to the mainbody ALPA-S.
BYE BYE MAINLINE RATS THEY SHALL SIT IT OUT TILL THE 380 ARRIVE I GUESS.
so we cargo lads have had a long deserved break well lets see if it last now..................
my my the silence is because of the hefty bonus that was announced at 5.97 months. well thats remarkable.
it has been a very positive months as SQ CARGO just announced that they will go it alone from july 07.
also the ALPAS-S CARGO branch has started as the representatives for the cargo jocks. well this truely an achivement as they are affiliated to the mainbody ALPA-S.
BYE BYE MAINLINE RATS THEY SHALL SIT IT OUT TILL THE 380 ARRIVE I GUESS.
so we cargo lads have had a long deserved break well lets see if it last now..................
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Well, after all your venomous vitriol Cargo Jock, if things do come good, bonus, July 07 etc. you will have the decency to resign and not try to take advantage of everything you said was impossible/never intended/ a cheap recruiting ploy etc. etc?
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The Truth Does Hurt
true comments of the setup aired in this forum did contribute to these amendments and the speed at which they were implimented.
i attribute it to the forum and the STG.
as a point of interest i was to resign end september but was called up before the trio and requested to reconsider. now that i have seen a movement in the positive direction i may take a stay.
july roster is full lets see if they stay this way as for the july rosters i have some juicy COP's.
well as i said lets wait and see.............
i attribute it to the forum and the STG.
as a point of interest i was to resign end september but was called up before the trio and requested to reconsider. now that i have seen a movement in the positive direction i may take a stay.
july roster is full lets see if they stay this way as for the july rosters i have some juicy COP's.
well as i said lets wait and see.............
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It wasn't so much what you said, at times, CJ, (though often was!), more the way you said it! And we were not then, or now, 'rats'!
Hope it all works out for you and SIAC, just wish I was a few years younger
Hope it all works out for you and SIAC, just wish I was a few years younger
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CJ,
The fact that you reconsidered wouldn't have something to do with the fact that you would return to a job in a country that taxes you 50%+ would it? Wheras your income in Singapore is free from your home country's tax.
I am curious, with all the quality of life issues you raise, certainly you were able to obtain some additional benefits in exchange for your signature, no?
The fact that you reconsidered wouldn't have something to do with the fact that you would return to a job in a country that taxes you 50%+ would it? Wheras your income in Singapore is free from your home country's tax.
I am curious, with all the quality of life issues you raise, certainly you were able to obtain some additional benefits in exchange for your signature, no?
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Cargo Jock
Your calling mainline pilots "rats" is obviously not a term of endearment or meant to be funny. Your hostility towards them is transparent to myself, Parabellum and others I am sure. They are just pilots like us trying to make a living with the system they are handed. I assume you feel that "mainline rats" are guilty of various infractions such as taking our choice trips, getting all the good deals etc...Assuming that these infractions are actually true, shouldn't your anger be directed at the system that allows these things to happen? The mainline pilots did not create the system, they are just working within it and if the system allowed them to bogart a trip away from us, well do you blame them for doing so? Or are we to infer that should the tables have been turned, that your high sense of right and wrong would never have permitted you to do the same to a mainline pilot?
Pilots in general are out for themselves and will use the system to their own selfish advantage if able to do so. I think the better phrase for venting your anger should be "management rats".
Your calling mainline pilots "rats" is obviously not a term of endearment or meant to be funny. Your hostility towards them is transparent to myself, Parabellum and others I am sure. They are just pilots like us trying to make a living with the system they are handed. I assume you feel that "mainline rats" are guilty of various infractions such as taking our choice trips, getting all the good deals etc...Assuming that these infractions are actually true, shouldn't your anger be directed at the system that allows these things to happen? The mainline pilots did not create the system, they are just working within it and if the system allowed them to bogart a trip away from us, well do you blame them for doing so? Or are we to infer that should the tables have been turned, that your high sense of right and wrong would never have permitted you to do the same to a mainline pilot?
Pilots in general are out for themselves and will use the system to their own selfish advantage if able to do so. I think the better phrase for venting your anger should be "management rats".
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"the system that allows these things to happen.....Pilots in general are out for themselves and will use the system to their own selfish advantage if able to do so."
How true. Your very hospitable airline next door, to the north of you, up to today is still unable to come up with the June roster. Because just about everybody from management to the clerks are meddling with the rostering. So their cronies, buddies friends etc can have a good roster.
How true. Your very hospitable airline next door, to the north of you, up to today is still unable to come up with the June roster. Because just about everybody from management to the clerks are meddling with the rostering. So their cronies, buddies friends etc can have a good roster.
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Any new changes
It's kinda sad to hear comments the "horror" stories, especially for those cadets who are training and yet to join the company officially yet.
Really hope the management take note and be doing something about it..
But i guess come June/July we see the amount of people leaving..
Really hope the management take note and be doing something about it..
But i guess come June/July we see the amount of people leaving..