AirAsia Runs Off RWY Yet Again
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AirAsia Runs Off RWY Yet Again
Yet Again AA runs off the runway in MYY.
AAS skidded off the runway and then came back on the hard stuff !!!!!!!!
No injuries!!!!!! RMAF capt sh@@ri at the yoke.
Just read the Lion accident and AA is jamming up for a big one.
With this many runway excursions this year. (6) if I'm not mistaken not including the Indon one where they forgot the flaps on TKOF (Was it Bandung) This is very very unsafe. I certainly will not be putting my family on AA.
This only reinforces what many have felt, that AA has no real standards with regard to safety and to training. With certain people such as Mr. R getting shares etc. I think that DCA have been closing one eye just too often and should a fatal accident eventuate the deaths of the innocent will be on their hands.
Mr. F a quality bloke!!!!!!!!!! Balls just a greedy business man sqeezing the blood and life from his staff for his retirement in a tax free haven. Mike O'Leary is a saint when compared to this bloke.
Wooblah.
AAS skidded off the runway and then came back on the hard stuff !!!!!!!!
No injuries!!!!!! RMAF capt sh@@ri at the yoke.
Just read the Lion accident and AA is jamming up for a big one.
With this many runway excursions this year. (6) if I'm not mistaken not including the Indon one where they forgot the flaps on TKOF (Was it Bandung) This is very very unsafe. I certainly will not be putting my family on AA.
This only reinforces what many have felt, that AA has no real standards with regard to safety and to training. With certain people such as Mr. R getting shares etc. I think that DCA have been closing one eye just too often and should a fatal accident eventuate the deaths of the innocent will be on their hands.
Mr. F a quality bloke!!!!!!!!!! Balls just a greedy business man sqeezing the blood and life from his staff for his retirement in a tax free haven. Mike O'Leary is a saint when compared to this bloke.
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Safe or unsafe,whatever the pilots standards are at least htey are all very protective of the pilots.Look at the accident in BKI,The BOSS himself says the weather is to be blame.And like the previous incidents of RWY incursion they have always blame the WX.
THE MANAGEMENT AT LEAST GOT IT RIGHT,support the employees first.What ever PUNISHMENT that entails be it demotion or pay penalty(Not that i hear any of it) they hung on to the pilotss
They may not be a safe airline but employee relations ,let me say they are HIGH and what i want my employer to follow
THE MANAGEMENT AT LEAST GOT IT RIGHT,support the employees first.What ever PUNISHMENT that entails be it demotion or pay penalty(Not that i hear any of it) they hung on to the pilotss
They may not be a safe airline but employee relations ,let me say they are HIGH and what i want my employer to follow
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Protective of the pilots? Do you expect them to say their pilots are substandard?
Blame it on the wx, thats better. What happens inhouse afterwards will probably never hit the news.
Tick tock tick tock....
Blame it on the wx, thats better. What happens inhouse afterwards will probably never hit the news.
Tick tock tick tock....
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DCA is unbelievable! Protective of local pilots YES. I'm an expat, having being offered another company position as the relevant company cannot find the quality pilot skills they want; but DCA now says an expat must resign its current local employment, leave the country for 6 months, then reapply. If that is not protecting the market, and as a result reducing the chances of expats passing on skills and training , then Malaysia expectation of being a developped country by 2020 is another joke.
Common DCA, wake up and let us help you out, so the above incidents with AA as an example, will reduce!
Common DCA, wake up and let us help you out, so the above incidents with AA as an example, will reduce!
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WLM,
If Malaysian Govt's policy is not good enough for you, then why are you still there??
I thought there are quite a number of expats willing to "PAY" to Malaysian carriers to "LEARN" how to fly jets????
Have a look at Air Asia and Transmile, count yourself how many of them ...........
eeemmmmmmmmmmm just my 2 cents ...
If Malaysian Govt's policy is not good enough for you, then why are you still there??
.............reducing the chances of expats passing on skills and training ....
Have a look at Air Asia and Transmile, count yourself how many of them ...........eeemmmmmmmmmmm just my 2 cents ...
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Flight Safety
Meanwhile , why spend time exchanging points of view and trying to blame GVTs and Flight Crew members , the Flight Training Industry offers an extensive flight training courses online at no charge,,find here some links that can be very helpful to enhance your operating skills .Runway excursions are usually lack of communications between pilots and controllers. For example , if the Wx is to be blamed , how come ATC didnt announce Braking action on landing clearances, AA 321 clr to land , braking action poor (fair or good) or braking action should be recorded on airport ATIS.That certainlly helps everybody and avoids runway excursions. Another useful safety tool is to calculate VHP prior landing .
VHP= Hydroplaning Speed.
www.aopa.org (Flight Safety Foundation)
www.FAA.gov - Runway Safety Program
Fly Safe,
VHP= Hydroplaning Speed.
www.aopa.org (Flight Safety Foundation)
www.FAA.gov - Runway Safety Program
Fly Safe,
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WLM, the thought of you passing your skills to untrained and unqualified locals to help the country become developed by 2020 is laughable. I find it a bit difficult to believe that you are over here just for the sake of helping us, as opposed to not being able to get a job back home (wherever that is.)
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Your replies are exactly what I am talking about, the attitude of some people in this country regarding bettering themselves.
If I remember right, most of the locals civilians pilots are ex Armed Forces as your average wannabe cannot afford the civilian way, and will find it hard to obtain employment later as most jobs are protected for the ex Armed Forces. Some of you had the chance to train overseas, and fly with a more open attitude to improving themselves!
Now all I am trying to point out is the fact that the local talent needs to upskill to remain safe and current. But you guys would never admit it
I am here because I like your country
and married a wonderful Malaysian girl as well. The other fact is my employer will not have a Malaysian at the controls.....The fact remain that on the professional side,you need to wake up, put your pride a step back and accept that we can help you achieve better standards of safety in your flying abilities.
Your replies are exactly what I am talking about, the attitude of some people in this country regarding bettering themselves.
If I remember right, most of the locals civilians pilots are ex Armed Forces as your average wannabe cannot afford the civilian way, and will find it hard to obtain employment later as most jobs are protected for the ex Armed Forces. Some of you had the chance to train overseas, and fly with a more open attitude to improving themselves!
Now all I am trying to point out is the fact that the local talent needs to upskill to remain safe and current. But you guys would never admit it
I am here because I like your country
and married a wonderful Malaysian girl as well. The other fact is my employer will not have a Malaysian at the controls.....The fact remain that on the professional side,you need to wake up, put your pride a step back and accept that we can help you achieve better standards of safety in your flying abilities.
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WLM, I think most if not all Malaysians understand the need to learn. The question is, from whom? YOU?????
Contrary to what you think most of the pilots are not ex air force. And, even if they were, then it would be the air force that should take the blame.
It might be prudent for me to re-examine my attitude but it would be equally if not more realistic for you to re-think the validity of your claim that to upgrade our professional skills and to achieve better standards we need you and your ilk.
To flame the whole Malaysian aviation community shows a certain lack of ..... CRM????
Contrary to what you think most of the pilots are not ex air force. And, even if they were, then it would be the air force that should take the blame.
It might be prudent for me to re-examine my attitude but it would be equally if not more realistic for you to re-think the validity of your claim that to upgrade our professional skills and to achieve better standards we need you and your ilk.
To flame the whole Malaysian aviation community shows a certain lack of ..... CRM????
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Malaysia Boleh!
Virtual R and MAStake, I left your God forsaken aviation community - airline and DCA, for that very reason. I took my skills because of your insular, nepotistic, and myopic attitude to the foreigners you so much despise and have given them to a more deserving community. It was quite obvious you don't want expatriates around, by using mechanisms of bias to protect your own diguised incompetance. You (and not particular you!) would rather see skill dilution, than admit that you need to have skilled foreigners imparting knowledge. Moreso, You (and not particulary you!), would rather not have any import of "other" views to your operations, because you know so much better, and wouldn't even consider that others might have a valid point or view that might just enhance you and your operations with out the primadona need of one up manship. Yes, it is possible to contribute without personal gain and glorificatons (Hard to believe, but true - I know many of you struggle with this concept!), but why bother, when your other credentials sweep you through the system.
I, for years, have watched what you chosen ones, ie, the military bred bratts, anak datu's, and sniffling hangeroners, who have received sunshine implants in their posteriors progress through the national airline and DCA, not because of your knowledge, skills, and abilties, but because of your name and connextions. You can live in denial, you can say it's not true, you can attack me personally, but the record speaks for itself. I have seen the level of imcompetence rise above any of the 1st world countries, I have flown in. I won't say above any other 3rd world country (...and Malaysia is???)!
I could cite example after example of cases, cover-ups, blame shifting, and biased investigations, but I won't, becuase I am sure it would be to damn embarassing for all concerned.
Wooblah, I know you are a Malaysian and a proud one too, but it was you who brought up the exam scam of the DCA, those phoney ATPL's, or is that Honorary ATPL's. Is that like an Honorary Doctorate??? WHat a joke! Double standards.
I think you guys have a wonderful country and wonderful people, but you aviation sector leaves alot to be desired, from incopetent managers and DCA Officers, to cover-ups of serious incidents.
As for Air Asia. What ever the reason of these runway excursions (is this a holiday program for pilots), they in my opinion need to do a serious overview of the contributing circumstances. Weather, Runways conditions, Training, Experience Levels, Inter cockpit personal skills (PD issues),Management coersion, Aircraft condition and maintenanace, applications of approach ban, and interpretation, and the good ole aqua plane speed (skiing anyone?)....good call there Eddiie.
There are so many factors, but I do suspect if they keep happening at the alarming rate they do, they will eventually spear off more agressively with dire consequences for the whole company - unless they identify the underlying cause. There's a pattern, a definate pattern, and it's it's not just the tire skids marks left all over the runways of Malaysia. Time to CLEAR the problem. Yes, CRM in action guys, systemic failures, and organisational pathigens (both within and without the company) are all aspects that need to be reviewed.
Happy Flying to my good Malaysian friends.
(the term "you" does not imply "you" specifically, but those "you's" who know who "you" are.)
I, for years, have watched what you chosen ones, ie, the military bred bratts, anak datu's, and sniffling hangeroners, who have received sunshine implants in their posteriors progress through the national airline and DCA, not because of your knowledge, skills, and abilties, but because of your name and connextions. You can live in denial, you can say it's not true, you can attack me personally, but the record speaks for itself. I have seen the level of imcompetence rise above any of the 1st world countries, I have flown in. I won't say above any other 3rd world country (...and Malaysia is???)!
I could cite example after example of cases, cover-ups, blame shifting, and biased investigations, but I won't, becuase I am sure it would be to damn embarassing for all concerned.
Wooblah, I know you are a Malaysian and a proud one too, but it was you who brought up the exam scam of the DCA, those phoney ATPL's, or is that Honorary ATPL's. Is that like an Honorary Doctorate??? WHat a joke! Double standards.
I think you guys have a wonderful country and wonderful people, but you aviation sector leaves alot to be desired, from incopetent managers and DCA Officers, to cover-ups of serious incidents.
As for Air Asia. What ever the reason of these runway excursions (is this a holiday program for pilots), they in my opinion need to do a serious overview of the contributing circumstances. Weather, Runways conditions, Training, Experience Levels, Inter cockpit personal skills (PD issues),Management coersion, Aircraft condition and maintenanace, applications of approach ban, and interpretation, and the good ole aqua plane speed (skiing anyone?)....good call there Eddiie.
There are so many factors, but I do suspect if they keep happening at the alarming rate they do, they will eventually spear off more agressively with dire consequences for the whole company - unless they identify the underlying cause. There's a pattern, a definate pattern, and it's it's not just the tire skids marks left all over the runways of Malaysia. Time to CLEAR the problem. Yes, CRM in action guys, systemic failures, and organisational pathigens (both within and without the company) are all aspects that need to be reviewed.
Happy Flying to my good Malaysian friends.
(the term "you" does not imply "you" specifically, but those "you's" who know who "you" are.)
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Firstly, It was KCH and not MYY, sorry guys, my info was a bit hasty.
Secondly, the pilot was given a comendation letter what a joke. This is the crap that stunts the growth and development of aviation in this country.
My penny worth is that the speed brake was not armed and in the insuing panic was not manually deployed. A simple click I believe would not be heard on the CVR and the SB is not monitored by the FDR on the 733. so the above not isolated as the root cause and the blame shifted to the aircraft systems. No brake failure was detected by engineering post excursion.
ISO, mate you are right on the numbers here kudos and well said. Unfortunatly the truth hurts and hence the derogatory remarks and the flak shot into the air to create a smoke screen that deviates from the true issues which you have very correctly and accuratly isolated.
Lastly when I speak of military pilots I am refering to RMAF not any other airforce. And, by and large the RMAF standards are so useless that the Singapore Airforce as related by Janes would take out the Malaysian Airforce in about 20 minutes. The fighter pilots from the RMAF are the most useless overall. The only guys with good standards are the rotary wing boys and thats about it.
Lastly, rumour has it that the pilot involved in the BKI incident was flagged with an excessive blood alcohol level and that a cover up is in process.
Wooblah.
Secondly, the pilot was given a comendation letter
what a joke. This is the crap that stunts the growth and development of aviation in this country.My penny worth is that the speed brake was not armed and in the insuing panic was not manually deployed. A simple click I believe would not be heard on the CVR and the SB is not monitored by the FDR on the 733. so the above not isolated as the root cause and the blame shifted to the aircraft systems. No brake failure was detected by engineering post excursion.
ISO, mate you are right on the numbers here kudos and well said. Unfortunatly the truth hurts and hence the derogatory remarks and the flak shot into the air to create a smoke screen that deviates from the true issues which you have very correctly and accuratly isolated.
Lastly when I speak of military pilots I am refering to RMAF not any other airforce. And, by and large the RMAF standards are so useless that the Singapore Airforce as related by Janes would take out the Malaysian Airforce in about 20 minutes. The fighter pilots from the RMAF are the most useless overall. The only guys with good standards are the rotary wing boys and thats about it.
Lastly, rumour has it that the pilot involved in the BKI incident was flagged with an excessive blood alcohol level and that a cover up is in process.
Wooblah.
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You're obviously another one that can't accept some constructive criticism and no I wont leave just to remain a thorn in your backside (you meaning not you in particular but all concerned) 
You're obviously another one that can't accept some constructive criticism
and no I wont leave just to remain a thorn in your backside (you meaning not you in particular but all concerned)
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Expats
That's how the ball bounces guys, especially if you are married to a Malaysian girl. Women have little status here and expats husbands will find it very diifficult or impossible even to get a job.
It's true that Malaysian are very protective and patriotic, maybe because they were colonised for so long. Firstly by the Javanese, Portugese, English, economically by the Chinese and the new world power trying influencing local politics and economy.
So one can understand why they try to best themselves when they can. Accidents and incidents are only the small picture. The bigger picture is national interest, albeit be misplaced at times.
Its also true that Expats use these backwaters, (Malaysia included) as training grounds to get Twin Jet ratings and their hours up, before submitting their resumes to their first world airlines.
Therefore you either put up with the local whingeing or if you cant stand the attitude, then leaving would be an option. They are what they are, leave em' be.
It's true that Malaysian are very protective and patriotic, maybe because they were colonised for so long. Firstly by the Javanese, Portugese, English, economically by the Chinese and the new world power trying influencing local politics and economy.
So one can understand why they try to best themselves when they can. Accidents and incidents are only the small picture. The bigger picture is national interest, albeit be misplaced at times.
Its also true that Expats use these backwaters, (Malaysia included) as training grounds to get Twin Jet ratings and their hours up, before submitting their resumes to their first world airlines.
Therefore you either put up with the local whingeing or if you cant stand the attitude, then leaving would be an option. They are what they are, leave em' be.