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JAL does not hire foreign pilots onto their "mainline" fleet, ie the 747-400, 777. This is the reason that the pay scales for these aircraft are not published outside of the JAL pilot group.
The only foreign pilots being hired are onto their subsiduary fleets consisting of JALWays and so on. This is 747 classic series aircraft, and I believe a few DC 10's. These pay rates could be obtained from the Contract terms with Hawaii av services or PARC or some crew leasing company of the like.
Hope this helps.
The only foreign pilots being hired are onto their subsiduary fleets consisting of JALWays and so on. This is 747 classic series aircraft, and I believe a few DC 10's. These pay rates could be obtained from the Contract terms with Hawaii av services or PARC or some crew leasing company of the like.
Hope this helps.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Further to sony's post, all of those aircraft you have asked about, Recap, are crewed by Japanese nationals.
The salary is the same across the board for JAL pilots, regardless of type, dependent on years of service.
Roughly, a JAL Captain receives about USD20k per month basic, stay allowances are about USD100 per night.
ANA currently have foreign crews based on the B767.
The salary is the same across the board for JAL pilots, regardless of type, dependent on years of service.
Roughly, a JAL Captain receives about USD20k per month basic, stay allowances are about USD100 per night.
ANA currently have foreign crews based on the B767.
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What do the JAL First Officers make.
I also hear that the japanese pilots fly their schedule, then are basically always on-call for the other days. Is this true??
Do they receive the twice yearly bonuses that other japanese companies dole out to their employees??
I also hear that the japanese pilots fly their schedule, then are basically always on-call for the other days. Is this true??
Do they receive the twice yearly bonuses that other japanese companies dole out to their employees??
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JAL F/O's - again it depends on years of service - but somewhere between 40 - 60% of the JAL Cap's salaries.
"I also hear that the japanese pilots fly their schedule, then are basically always on-call for the other days."
That's a new one. They get a minimum of 10 days off per month, are usually scheduled for at least 1 meeting (Japanese love their meetings), and may be rostered for standby on the other days.
They usually fly between 40 - 50-something hours most months.....the lowest I've seen was 32 hours.
Yes, they do get the 2 bonuses per year.
"I also hear that the japanese pilots fly their schedule, then are basically always on-call for the other days."
That's a new one. They get a minimum of 10 days off per month, are usually scheduled for at least 1 meeting (Japanese love their meetings), and may be rostered for standby on the other days.
They usually fly between 40 - 50-something hours most months.....the lowest I've seen was 32 hours.
Yes, they do get the 2 bonuses per year.
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"I also hear that the japanese pilots fly their schedule, then are basically always on-call for the other days."
On a normal monthly schedule, there are 2 kinds of days off. "H" days off (10 days per month) which are guaranteed days off, and blank days off which means that the company can call you for flight duty. If you do not answer the call, you are obligated to call them back within 24 hours, which by then they would have already found someone else to fly.
I hope this answer your questions.
On a normal monthly schedule, there are 2 kinds of days off. "H" days off (10 days per month) which are guaranteed days off, and blank days off which means that the company can call you for flight duty. If you do not answer the call, you are obligated to call them back within 24 hours, which by then they would have already found someone else to fly.
I hope this answer your questions.
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Does anyone know if there is any chance of a foreigner with Japanese spouse visa and JCAB license getting a job as a local with JAL or ANA? I dont quite have enough hours for the ANA agencies. JALEX said they would give me an interview next year, but I wasnt sure if that was a brush off or not.
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You don`t want to work for ANY company in Japan. They don`t observe contract conditions, and if you`re here through Rishworth, then you`ll get no help from them.
In fact, they will aid and abet the company in attempting to screw you, no doubt for a consideration on the side; that`s the way business is done here.
Rishworth are currently advertising for more 737 Captains; don`t touch them. The guys there are having almost daily battles with the management, and the first group coming up for renewal will almost certainly all go. You`ll only be replacing them.
AirDo are about to recruit through a PARCcontract, and I think it`s generally known that PARC are about the best of the parasitical crew contracting companies. AirDo will almost certainly take guys from within Japan, recently having displayed a penchant for poaching, contrary to what foreign pilots are told on arrival; you won`t be able to move fromone company to another in Japan because they don`t poach each other`s pilots. That may be true for the Japs, but not foreigners.
When you consider the f&%$#& stupid pricks at JCAB and they way they conduct checks (they`re only light aircraft pilots, no airline experience), the blatant racism displayed, the fact that you`re paid a LOT less than the Japs and your standard will be MUCH higher regardless of where you`re from, the never ending `training`that takes you upwards of four months to get a Jap licence (I know of one guy who took 11 months), the constant breaches of contract put down to a `misunderstanding`along with a range of other antagonistic issues, you would not want to come to Japan.
The standard of piloting by the Japs, both Captains and FOs, and engineering here is substandard. I`d like a $ for every time a local Fo has damn near killed me.
The Japs have taken lying to a whole new level, and are the most dishonest, duplicitious and devious people you will ever deal with. They make the Arabs looks like saints.
I`m out of here within a few months and I will NEVER return, not even for a holiday. The Japs have made me hate the place, and there are some things you are just not prepared to do for money. One of them is live and work in this $hithole and work for these C###S.
Sorry for the slightly off topic post. For further info see the `Asiana` thread Most applies to Japanas well
In fact, they will aid and abet the company in attempting to screw you, no doubt for a consideration on the side; that`s the way business is done here.
Rishworth are currently advertising for more 737 Captains; don`t touch them. The guys there are having almost daily battles with the management, and the first group coming up for renewal will almost certainly all go. You`ll only be replacing them.
AirDo are about to recruit through a PARCcontract, and I think it`s generally known that PARC are about the best of the parasitical crew contracting companies. AirDo will almost certainly take guys from within Japan, recently having displayed a penchant for poaching, contrary to what foreign pilots are told on arrival; you won`t be able to move fromone company to another in Japan because they don`t poach each other`s pilots. That may be true for the Japs, but not foreigners.
When you consider the f&%$#& stupid pricks at JCAB and they way they conduct checks (they`re only light aircraft pilots, no airline experience), the blatant racism displayed, the fact that you`re paid a LOT less than the Japs and your standard will be MUCH higher regardless of where you`re from, the never ending `training`that takes you upwards of four months to get a Jap licence (I know of one guy who took 11 months), the constant breaches of contract put down to a `misunderstanding`along with a range of other antagonistic issues, you would not want to come to Japan.
The standard of piloting by the Japs, both Captains and FOs, and engineering here is substandard. I`d like a $ for every time a local Fo has damn near killed me.
The Japs have taken lying to a whole new level, and are the most dishonest, duplicitious and devious people you will ever deal with. They make the Arabs looks like saints.
I`m out of here within a few months and I will NEVER return, not even for a holiday. The Japs have made me hate the place, and there are some things you are just not prepared to do for money. One of them is live and work in this $hithole and work for these C###S.
Sorry for the slightly off topic post. For further info see the `Asiana` thread Most applies to Japanas well
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WOW! No wonder you had a tough time in Japan...with all the racial slurs in your post, I would hate you too if I were Japanese. Who do you work for? I go to Japan quite often, my wife is Japanese. I never had a problem with the Japanese...they seem to be a lot more honorable than most of us over here in the States. I've heard of some negative experiences from people who work in Japan (doesn't matter what job it is). I found if one has an appreciation for the culture they will reciprocate. Heard some bad stories about the JCAB. I would love to work for Air Japan...
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You've got it back to front dude. I came here with an open mind, don't have a racist bonein my body,still don't hate the Japanese, but they despise us and have made me hat e the place.
On that subject, an American negro is attempting actionagainst a restaurant owner for tossinghim out with the comment 'I don't like black people.' Is that racist? If it happened in the Us or most otherplaces in the civilized world, it would be treated as a serious offence and punished accordingly. Here they don';t have suck laws. Is that racist?
If you are suggesting that my comments on their abilities are a racial slur, they are not. Theyare reality on observations I and my colleagues have made. I've done a sim session with a Japanese captain when he hasn't managed to hold it upright after an engine failure THREE times. I flew it like it was on rails, and I'm told I'm dangerous, and he's told he's very good!! Is that racism on my part? Don't think so. Is it on theirs? probably.
If you come here you'll be nothing more than cheap labour and if you know and accept that then you'll cope better than most do.
Honourable??? The most dishonourable people I've met anywhere in the world and I have been to the US. Far less violent and safer here at a personal level, but not more honourable. They'll sell you down the drain for a couple of yen given the chance.
They're about as honourable as Rishworth from what I'm told talking with Rishworthcontract pilots.
I have friends with Air Japan and they report exactly the same things I have observed. Once again if you can accept that then you'll fit in a lot better than most.
Everything here is a 'misunderstanding' when they violate the contract. Even when the 'misunderstanding' is cleared up, they do the same thing again, but it's because somebody else in the office didn't know. If the same mistake gets made every month, and it will with slight variationsthere aretoo many people in the office to make my contract 'misunderstanding 'free.
At a personal level I have some good Japanese frineds outside the company, nice people, but if they're within the company and you rock the boat, they're like ants. They see it as a personal confrontation which it s not. They'll group,isolate you and then take nips at at you at every opportunity.
JCAB???!!!,,,what aq bunch of pretending wankers. They are nobody light aircraft pilots afew of whom have a jet endorsement on a G4 or G5. They frighten the $hit out of themselves and everybody wlse inJapan air space everytime they get in the things and career across the country busting altitudes etc whilst demonstrating their great expertise whilst handflying in lousy conditions.
Most are former instructors on bonanzas at a civil aviation college and who landed the plum job for a wannabenobody in aviation in Japan. Their only knowledge is books, not systems on the aircraft they're checking type books, for most aren't even endorsed on typ[e,but the AIM-J.
They've elevated themselves to a position they wouldn't rate anywhere else in the world, and even senior maangement are seen bobbing up and down like pigeons infront of them. Crazy, but no crazier than a lot of things here in Japan.
On that subject, an American negro is attempting actionagainst a restaurant owner for tossinghim out with the comment 'I don't like black people.' Is that racist? If it happened in the Us or most otherplaces in the civilized world, it would be treated as a serious offence and punished accordingly. Here they don';t have suck laws. Is that racist?
If you are suggesting that my comments on their abilities are a racial slur, they are not. Theyare reality on observations I and my colleagues have made. I've done a sim session with a Japanese captain when he hasn't managed to hold it upright after an engine failure THREE times. I flew it like it was on rails, and I'm told I'm dangerous, and he's told he's very good!! Is that racism on my part? Don't think so. Is it on theirs? probably.
If you come here you'll be nothing more than cheap labour and if you know and accept that then you'll cope better than most do.
Honourable??? The most dishonourable people I've met anywhere in the world and I have been to the US. Far less violent and safer here at a personal level, but not more honourable. They'll sell you down the drain for a couple of yen given the chance.
They're about as honourable as Rishworth from what I'm told talking with Rishworthcontract pilots.
I have friends with Air Japan and they report exactly the same things I have observed. Once again if you can accept that then you'll fit in a lot better than most.
Everything here is a 'misunderstanding' when they violate the contract. Even when the 'misunderstanding' is cleared up, they do the same thing again, but it's because somebody else in the office didn't know. If the same mistake gets made every month, and it will with slight variationsthere aretoo many people in the office to make my contract 'misunderstanding 'free.
At a personal level I have some good Japanese frineds outside the company, nice people, but if they're within the company and you rock the boat, they're like ants. They see it as a personal confrontation which it s not. They'll group,isolate you and then take nips at at you at every opportunity.
JCAB???!!!,,,what aq bunch of pretending wankers. They are nobody light aircraft pilots afew of whom have a jet endorsement on a G4 or G5. They frighten the $hit out of themselves and everybody wlse inJapan air space everytime they get in the things and career across the country busting altitudes etc whilst demonstrating their great expertise whilst handflying in lousy conditions.
Most are former instructors on bonanzas at a civil aviation college and who landed the plum job for a wannabenobody in aviation in Japan. Their only knowledge is books, not systems on the aircraft they're checking type books, for most aren't even endorsed on typ[e,but the AIM-J.
They've elevated themselves to a position they wouldn't rate anywhere else in the world, and even senior maangement are seen bobbing up and down like pigeons infront of them. Crazy, but no crazier than a lot of things here in Japan.
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American negro? What country do you reside in? Obviously your not from the States. Let me give you a little advice, you say negro in the States, you'll become a crime statistic real fast....
Well, you said "jap" a whole lot in your post as well. "Jap" sounds pretty offensive to me. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience working for your contract company. I know people on contract w/ Hawaii Aviation and IASCO and they seem happy to be there. All are U.S. citizens.
Look, I'm not trying to start a flame war, but you stated:
"The Japs have taken lying to a whole new level, and are the most dishonest, duplicitious and devious people you will ever deal with. They make the Arabs looks like saints."
You don't think that is a racist comment? If I were Japanese and you said that in front of my face, you'd be eating concrete for breakfast.
Well, you said "jap" a whole lot in your post as well. "Jap" sounds pretty offensive to me. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience working for your contract company. I know people on contract w/ Hawaii Aviation and IASCO and they seem happy to be there. All are U.S. citizens.
Look, I'm not trying to start a flame war, but you stated:
"The Japs have taken lying to a whole new level, and are the most dishonest, duplicitious and devious people you will ever deal with. They make the Arabs looks like saints."
You don't think that is a racist comment? If I were Japanese and you said that in front of my face, you'd be eating concrete for breakfast.
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My friend, I've said it to the general manager flt ops, and he's not big enough, and in any case recognizes what he is and the truth when he hears it. It is not a racist comment but a factual one. They treat their own people the same way; at least they don't discriminate against foreigners in that way; hundreds of other ways, but not that.
As for a Jap having me eat concrete for brekky, or lunch or in between, they are also the weakest people in that they back down faster than anybody else I've come across. Never wrong mind you, another 'misunderstanding'. Pricks!!!
Jap is no more offensive than yank, ozzie, pom, chinaman, etc.
Your wife is probably a very nice person. Now that I've said that, you can be assured that to work for, they are more than difficult.
I haven't been to the US in quite a few years, and back then, 'negro' was an acceptable term. I have a good friend married to a 'negro' and she is not offended by the term. What should I call them? Blacks?? I would find that offensive, even saying it let alone calling someone it. Maybe Afro American is now the term. Forgive me, and if its the case, then I'lluse it in future.
Discriminatory?? There are tens, if not hun dreds of thousands of Koreans here, third and fourth generations born in Japan, and not permitted to ever hold citizenship nor their descendants. Is that racist, discriminatory? Don't talk to me about racism.
As for a Jap having me eat concrete for brekky, or lunch or in between, they are also the weakest people in that they back down faster than anybody else I've come across. Never wrong mind you, another 'misunderstanding'. Pricks!!!
Jap is no more offensive than yank, ozzie, pom, chinaman, etc.
Your wife is probably a very nice person. Now that I've said that, you can be assured that to work for, they are more than difficult.
I haven't been to the US in quite a few years, and back then, 'negro' was an acceptable term. I have a good friend married to a 'negro' and she is not offended by the term. What should I call them? Blacks?? I would find that offensive, even saying it let alone calling someone it. Maybe Afro American is now the term. Forgive me, and if its the case, then I'lluse it in future.
Discriminatory?? There are tens, if not hun dreds of thousands of Koreans here, third and fourth generations born in Japan, and not permitted to ever hold citizenship nor their descendants. Is that racist, discriminatory? Don't talk to me about racism.
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Hey JapJok!,
Why don't you do the Japanese, the aviation community and the world in general a favour, and shove a stick of dynamite (with a short fuse) up your backside and light it with a blow torch just to make sure!
If you don't like it - get out.
BD
Why don't you do the Japanese, the aviation community and the world in general a favour, and shove a stick of dynamite (with a short fuse) up your backside and light it with a blow torch just to make sure!
If you don't like it - get out.
BD
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Ben Dover, you sound like a real idiot, and with a name like that, a fag to boot.
You're an idiot because you didn't read that I am out of here in a few months.
Regardless, I stand by my assertions that they are the worst people inthe world to work for when it comes to contract breaches, and I've contracted in quite a few countries. You'd be familiar with breaches with a name like yours! Additionally they are the most racist people you would ever come across.
Now goback to ben dovering and copping it.
Recapitulate, a flame war is what that moron ben dover is trying to bring on by making inflammatory comments. As you can see I've used enormous restraint and refused the invitation.
However this is all getting off the topic, so I'll comment no further on peripheral issues, and most definitely not on insignificant peripheral issues like ben.
You're an idiot because you didn't read that I am out of here in a few months.
Regardless, I stand by my assertions that they are the worst people inthe world to work for when it comes to contract breaches, and I've contracted in quite a few countries. You'd be familiar with breaches with a name like yours! Additionally they are the most racist people you would ever come across.
Now goback to ben dovering and copping it.
Recapitulate, a flame war is what that moron ben dover is trying to bring on by making inflammatory comments. As you can see I've used enormous restraint and refused the invitation.
However this is all getting off the topic, so I'll comment no further on peripheral issues, and most definitely not on insignificant peripheral issues like ben.