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Does anybody have anymore info on the Thai DCA not recognizing folks with type ratting with no time on type?
So it appears that this outfit is dodgy as anything, Why hasn't the Thai DCA put their foot down, or are they just as usless too?
CF
So it appears that this outfit is dodgy as anything, Why hasn't the Thai DCA put their foot down, or are they just as usless too?
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if OTA IS SO BAD WHY HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO EMPLOY SUCH HIGH CALIBRE STAFF AS EX B.A. MANAGEMENT, CURRENT UK C.A.A. TRI/TRE INSTRUCTORS, AND VERY HIGHLY EXPERIENCED PILOTS FROM LARGE AIRLINES WITH MORE THAN 6000 HOURS ON TYPE , AND EX RBA FLEET MANAGERS ETC. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE THEY LIKE BKK AND THE MONEY AINT THAT LOW. THEIR STANDARDS OF TRAINING ARE VERY HIGH. THEIR CHARTER WORK IS VERY CHALLENGING AND MOST AVERAGE AIRLINE PILOTS SIMPLY WOULDNT CUT IT IN SUCH A DEMANDING ENVIRONMENT. IF YOU WANT SOME EXAMPLES JUST ASK ME. WITHOUT A SCRATCH TO ANYONE (touch wood). the thai d.o.a. inspectors personally observe every sim check and by all accounts are quite satisfied by what they see. i suspect a lot of the posts here are sour grapes and are a disgrace.
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Really great to hear someone like Piratepete speak up on this matter. Well done mate because you are simply speaking the truth. I have come to the conclusion that there is simply a racist culture on this forum. Withness the recent treads regarding working in japan and the horrendous ecoteric approach by many. Not a thing done by moderators about it.Than there is the singapore airlines thing...and CAL and KAL and... well, this one I guess. Just read through the pages 1 to 5. Well...anyway...back to the subject matter at hand.
I find it incredible that many are speaking of the so called mass exodus from Orient thai...as its simply not the case. As Piratepete puts it, take a look at who is actually involved there - real professionals from National carriers. I didnt want to mention it b4 but evidently so now it is offically there. There is and always has been mass demand for persons to settle in the wonderful tropics of thailand. There will never be a case where an airline like Orient thai is going to run into problems recruiting bright, talented westerners. Such a thought is laughable. They are presently turning applicants away as we speak. But alas I know too many here are loco and believe Orient Thai is Anathema.
Ive said it b4 and I will say it again, this airline IS a quality airline, exceeding passenger expectations as well as staff. Its a matter of take it or leave it I suppose, but I will say this and no more, be very wary of persons on this forum trying their level best to dissuade persons from trying to even contact OT in the first place, because in my opinion they are just trying to deviate any would be competition for themselves. This is also the case with other airlines as mentioned above. Certain posters are trying trying trying (!) so hard to paint a bad picture so as to turn people off and hence beat off any competition in this part of the world. Thankfully, in the name of greater quality and range, this is not happening. These airlines are still doing very well regarding recruitment of staff and indeed poses some of the very best pilots around the world.
You can bring a horse to water....
I find it incredible that many are speaking of the so called mass exodus from Orient thai...as its simply not the case. As Piratepete puts it, take a look at who is actually involved there - real professionals from National carriers. I didnt want to mention it b4 but evidently so now it is offically there. There is and always has been mass demand for persons to settle in the wonderful tropics of thailand. There will never be a case where an airline like Orient thai is going to run into problems recruiting bright, talented westerners. Such a thought is laughable. They are presently turning applicants away as we speak. But alas I know too many here are loco and believe Orient Thai is Anathema.
Ive said it b4 and I will say it again, this airline IS a quality airline, exceeding passenger expectations as well as staff. Its a matter of take it or leave it I suppose, but I will say this and no more, be very wary of persons on this forum trying their level best to dissuade persons from trying to even contact OT in the first place, because in my opinion they are just trying to deviate any would be competition for themselves. This is also the case with other airlines as mentioned above. Certain posters are trying trying trying (!) so hard to paint a bad picture so as to turn people off and hence beat off any competition in this part of the world. Thankfully, in the name of greater quality and range, this is not happening. These airlines are still doing very well regarding recruitment of staff and indeed poses some of the very best pilots around the world.
You can bring a horse to water....
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"Well done mate because you are simply speaking the truth. I have come to the conclusion that there is simply a racist culture on this forum. Withness the recent treads regarding working in japan and the horrendous ecoteric approach by many. Not a thing done by moderators about it.Than there is the singapore airlines thing...and CAL and KAL and... well, this one I guess. Just read through the pages 1 to 5."
TopMan998 maybe you are forgetting this thread posted only a couple or so months ago by Sick Squid?
TopMan998 maybe you are forgetting this thread posted only a couple or so months ago by Sick Squid?
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And...then there is this latest news...
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=8e4b76c8c4d0c5dd
Hmmm, seems everyone is not satisfied...
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=8e4b76c8c4d0c5dd
Hmmm, seems everyone is not satisfied...
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Spin doctors at work from inside OT !!!! Piratepete ,Topman.
Ot is a shambles and everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with racism, just plain fact! Thai DOA inspectors with 1000hrs total time???? They havn't a cluewhat they're looking at anyway. The home market is a complete mess with Malaysian crew operating most of Thai Asia schedules.
Ot is a shambles and everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with racism, just plain fact! Thai DOA inspectors with 1000hrs total time???? They havn't a cluewhat they're looking at anyway. The home market is a complete mess with Malaysian crew operating most of Thai Asia schedules.
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There’s an acid test. Would they let their wife, daughter etc..fly with them to save a few Baht? I pay the extra on TG & PG and sleep at night.
As for the others - no way.
There’s an acid test. Would they let their wife, daughter etc..fly with them to save a few Baht? I pay the extra on TG & PG and sleep at night.
As for the others - no way.
Pirate Pete and Topman. Nice try guys.
TM998 - any relation to Topman999?
Quote from the moderator 17 Sep...
"Topman barred from the thread. While I know many of you were finding allowing him to dig deeper holes for himself entertaining there are a few poor souls falling for this odious hokum.
Topman - fantasist or recruiter? Well the answer is a bit of both as any of you with two brain cells to rub together will have found when you've viewed this unsubtle idiot's previous posts. Judgment really does fly out of the window along with your intelligence if you believe a word from this jerk.
Topman is preying on the helpless, desperate and naive. However, anyone getting a rating on the basis of a start with this bunch is hollering from the shallow end of the gene pool and deserves every last bit of the crap that goes with this outfit. You have been consistently warned by your peers. For those intellectually dwarfed by a demented bumble bee here it is again.
The airline? We very strongly recommend you don't touch them with a bargepole.
Regards from the Towers
Rob Lloyd
PS - The perceptive, experienced and thought provoking views of this mittyesque, braindead vegetable are best viewed on this Rumours and News thread:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showth...15&pagenumber=4
Since that outstanding debut topman has hidden out in places like this."
TM998 - any relation to Topman999?
Quote from the moderator 17 Sep...
"Topman barred from the thread. While I know many of you were finding allowing him to dig deeper holes for himself entertaining there are a few poor souls falling for this odious hokum.
Topman - fantasist or recruiter? Well the answer is a bit of both as any of you with two brain cells to rub together will have found when you've viewed this unsubtle idiot's previous posts. Judgment really does fly out of the window along with your intelligence if you believe a word from this jerk.
Topman is preying on the helpless, desperate and naive. However, anyone getting a rating on the basis of a start with this bunch is hollering from the shallow end of the gene pool and deserves every last bit of the crap that goes with this outfit. You have been consistently warned by your peers. For those intellectually dwarfed by a demented bumble bee here it is again.
The airline? We very strongly recommend you don't touch them with a bargepole.
Regards from the Towers
Rob Lloyd
PS - The perceptive, experienced and thought provoking views of this mittyesque, braindead vegetable are best viewed on this Rumours and News thread:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showth...15&pagenumber=4
Since that outstanding debut topman has hidden out in places like this."
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411A, whilst not wanting to enter into this debate, the vandalized aircraft at Utapao were two Tristars, not 747s. Apparently nothing to do with fare war rivalry but pure local vandalism by someone who had nothing better to do. My info comes from a serving F/E employed by Orient Thai.
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Hi Spleener,
Maybe you could try a link that actually works and stop wasting our precious time. As for Mr Lloyd, I am still at odds as to why I was barred from this threead in the first place. Maybe OT dont pay pprune commission and as a result...lets just say some people here just have an attitude problem to be honest.
Maybe you could try a link that actually works and stop wasting our precious time. As for Mr Lloyd, I am still at odds as to why I was barred from this threead in the first place. Maybe OT dont pay pprune commission and as a result...lets just say some people here just have an attitude problem to be honest.
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Here at the Towers we have not changed our opinion. The posts of topman999 are available for all to judge for yourselves.
topman has to live with what he has written in the past just as I have. His posts are a litany of support for various poor Far Eastern contracts. There isn't a single credible word of support for OT despite this site being required reading for Far Eastern ex Pats and contract pilots worldwide.
Our advice remains - Orient Thai on your CV/resume will be a slur you have to explain away to your peers' satisfaction when you look for a real job. You'll have to do this with the same chances of success as topman faced 11 months ago when trying to bluster his way out of claiming that it was perfectly sensible to clear a 737 to enter a runway and depart with Learjet Mayday traffic on one engine at 2 miles final.
topman's finest hour here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1 Go to page two, 3rd post from the bottom of the page and continue as long as necessary for the point to be made. What type of ego is involved to recreate the same effective username after being flattened by working pros from both flightdeck and Heathrow Tower?
Back in September I asked this question: Topman - fantasist or recruiter?
I think you got the answer in topman's reborn persona's final paragraph:
I know, I know - it's just sour grapes on my part because they wouldn't have me.
Regards
Rob
topman has to live with what he has written in the past just as I have. His posts are a litany of support for various poor Far Eastern contracts. There isn't a single credible word of support for OT despite this site being required reading for Far Eastern ex Pats and contract pilots worldwide.
Our advice remains - Orient Thai on your CV/resume will be a slur you have to explain away to your peers' satisfaction when you look for a real job. You'll have to do this with the same chances of success as topman faced 11 months ago when trying to bluster his way out of claiming that it was perfectly sensible to clear a 737 to enter a runway and depart with Learjet Mayday traffic on one engine at 2 miles final.
topman's finest hour here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1 Go to page two, 3rd post from the bottom of the page and continue as long as necessary for the point to be made. What type of ego is involved to recreate the same effective username after being flattened by working pros from both flightdeck and Heathrow Tower?
Back in September I asked this question: Topman - fantasist or recruiter?
I think you got the answer in topman's reborn persona's final paragraph:
Ive said it b4 and I will say it again, this airline IS a quality airline, exceeding passenger expectations as well as staff. Its a matter of take it or leave it I suppose, but I will say this and no more, be very wary of persons on this forum trying their level best to dissuade persons from trying to even contact OT in the first place, because in my opinion they are just trying to deviate any would be competition for themselves. This is also the case with other airlines as mentioned above. Certain posters are trying trying trying (!) so hard to paint a bad picture so as to turn people off and hence beat off any competition in this part of the world. Thankfully, in the name of greater quality and range, this is not happening. These airlines are still doing very well regarding recruitment of staff and indeed poses some of the very best pilots around the world.
Regards
Rob
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The news about the TriStars, is old news, Hot Dog.
However, the two incidents may well be connected.
Now, I have met the MangDir, and have seen firsthand the miserable state the TriStars were left in, as I personally repossessed one in 1999 for the leasing company.
Sooo, judging from this, I would not be all that impressed with a CV from guys who operated for Orient Thai.
Now, having said this...maybe it takes a special kind, to put up with the BS from the head shed.
Two sides to the coin...so to speak.
However, the two incidents may well be connected.
Now, I have met the MangDir, and have seen firsthand the miserable state the TriStars were left in, as I personally repossessed one in 1999 for the leasing company.
Sooo, judging from this, I would not be all that impressed with a CV from guys who operated for Orient Thai.
Now, having said this...maybe it takes a special kind, to put up with the BS from the head shed.
Two sides to the coin...so to speak.
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hey Rob,
"Our advice remains - Orient Thai on your CV/resume will be a slur you have to explain away to your peers' satisfaction when you look for a real job."
Ever worked in Thailand Rob?
What qualifies you to comment re the merits of Orient Thai?
Regardless as to their standard of operation, you have no right to make such a statement ..... you can think what you want but the moment you put it down in print then you are opening your self up to a whole world of pain.....I thought you were smarter than that.
"Our advice remains - Orient Thai on your CV/resume will be a slur you have to explain away to your peers' satisfaction when you look for a real job."
Ever worked in Thailand Rob?
What qualifies you to comment re the merits of Orient Thai?
Regardless as to their standard of operation, you have no right to make such a statement ..... you can think what you want but the moment you put it down in print then you are opening your self up to a whole world of pain.....I thought you were smarter than that.
Topman,
I apologise if I've hurt your feelings. Equally sorry that the link didn't work - it was grammatically contained within the quote ["] - called I believe cut and paste. However, I have now followed up the PPTowers' link and it does provide a good wheeze!
My previous comments regarding OT have been based on what was related to me first hand from OT Pilots and Flight Engineers. I can comment no further as these professionals have subsequently chosen to leave Orient Thai. I accept that others remain who may be trying to introduce some professionalism to OT. Such persons are not known to me. I wish them well in their endeavours, as the overall environment does not appear to have changed. Orient Thai's reputation remains.
Please try to view comments contrary to you own with an open mind. I remain hopeful that any factual evidence you may have will change my opinion. Importantly, please resist any further declarations of a racial nature.
On a lighter note, check your latest profile - I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "handgliding" as a pastime
I apologise if I've hurt your feelings. Equally sorry that the link didn't work - it was grammatically contained within the quote ["] - called I believe cut and paste. However, I have now followed up the PPTowers' link and it does provide a good wheeze!
My previous comments regarding OT have been based on what was related to me first hand from OT Pilots and Flight Engineers. I can comment no further as these professionals have subsequently chosen to leave Orient Thai. I accept that others remain who may be trying to introduce some professionalism to OT. Such persons are not known to me. I wish them well in their endeavours, as the overall environment does not appear to have changed. Orient Thai's reputation remains.
Please try to view comments contrary to you own with an open mind. I remain hopeful that any factual evidence you may have will change my opinion. Importantly, please resist any further declarations of a racial nature.
On a lighter note, check your latest profile - I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "handgliding" as a pastime
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