Greatbattle and Hklovers,

I see you guys are locals. Do you really want to have these guys on your course if you are successful?

pilotchute

of cos i dont want these moron to be on the course
But i have faith in CX selection team.......they will do their job and get rid of these morons before they even get to stage 1a:D:D

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Einstein

I don't know. When I did stage 1 the filters must have been broken judging by the applicants I sat with.

latest news on CX AE
 

HELLO,

just wondering where can u get the latest news on AE, besides checking the official website.

thx

100187259,

Have you bothered to ready any of this thread?

Stage 2 Interview on the 28th OCT 2013
 

Hi All,

Was wondering if anyone is doing stage 2 on the 28th OCT 2013!? Would you guyz wanna meet up before the interview so we can have a better preparation for it :D Please PM me if interested.!

Cheers!

2nd attempt.
 

hey guys, just wondering is there anyone who failed their first attempt and decided to apply again after the waiting period and got through? They ask me to re-apply in 6 months time and i am really thinking of doing it again, just wanted to get some info out there. thanks heaps! :ok:

I failed my first after Stage 1b. I applied 12 months later but had to decline the invitation due to studies overseas. Waited another 12 months to apply again. Technically, this is my third attempt.

Have they lowered the waiting period between attempts now?

kelevra
 

Yes, i have checked with some of the others who didnt make it and were given the option to re-apply in 6 months time, although i doubt they were given priority or any sort in that matter, back to the end of the line.
How long did u need to wait after you applied the second time to get the invitation? Good luck on ur 3rd attempt :ok: ..

stfy
 

Around 6 months for all three times. My stage 1 is pretty soon actually. And thanks.

If you read this thread from the beginning, there was this poster: "holdmetight" I think it was this guy who failed his first time and got in the second time. I think he has a PPL at the time of his early posts.

HKID Card - Right to Land
 

Hi Folks

Does anyone know if CX will accept a HKID Card with Right to Land status for the Cadet Pilot Program? I don't think this ID card is considered a Permanent ID card, but does allow the holder to live, work and study in Hong Kong. I noticed that on the CX Careers website that they mention applications are welcomed by Permanent ID card holders, but was wondering if the Right to Land status was accepted as opposed to Right of Abode.

Thanks

SK

Just out of interest, did you guys all apply for Dragonair as well? If you did, what was the result? I hear the pay and benefits there are much better than CX.

pilotchute: can you briefly talk about that?:8

what I knew is KA stress they have rapid promotion path:}

Dragonair SO recruitment is something I know very little about. I know they certainly don't take foreigners unless its DEFO or DEC.

What I have heard is that most people try Dragonair first and then have a go at CX if they are don't make it. I have no way to verify this though. I just wondered why you would be an SO at CX for anything up to 4 years when at Dragonair your flying in the RHS an awful lot sooner. Is it that CX are long haul maybe?

this is one of my reasons......
i like long haul flight rather than short haul
also, KA only use airbus and I prefer boeing:)

The main thing for me is that I don't want to spend 30+ years of my life flying to China. Other reasons are as stated before, Cathay having a mixed fleet makes for more avenues of exploration and learning, and the diversity of the workplace (at least for now) is attractive for someone like me who doesn't want to work in a place that is 95% Chinese. Then there are flying long haul routes, which are much less stressful and hectic than short haul.

Of course these are all personal reasons, and one person may think different from the next, but at least for me, they make the longer progression time seem a little more worth.

You may want to rethink the long haul preference... it takes years off your life as a consequence of constant circadian rhythm distortions and severe radiation exposure.

It's the elephant in the room. It's there, it's hard to ignore, but no one will talk about it.

Does anyone know the updated categories for Flight Grading? Less than how many hours is Basic/Intermediate/Advanced?

I did read some previous posts about Flight Grading and one post in particular by happyguy99, that it was Basic if 15 hours or less, Intermediate if more than 30 hours, and Advanced if you have license. I hear that they might have changed it over the years.


I have close to 10 hours but haven't flown in four years. Do they take into account how often/recent the last few hours were logged?

Thanks!

Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but what will you do when you get an answer?

If they take into account how long its been are you going to go do some flying beforehand?

If they don't take into account how long its been are you going to do some flying beforehand?

Why are you asking this and how will it change your preparation?

Why would either answer change your preparation if you want this job?

If you don't do additional flying beforehand how are you going to answer the question I am sure you will be asked. You really want to be a pilot, why did you only do ten hours and nothing since for 4 years?

You may say money, a PPL is very doable for anyone with initiative over a period of 4 years even if you live in HKG, if you don't even easier. Do you not have initiative to even get a PPL, and you want us to hire you?

So now your thinking maybe I should do some extra flying as that is a hard question to answer. Now does it matter if they take into account how long ago you last flew? How are you going to prepare differently?

Some of the questions I see posted here just seem to be from worried kids, is this really who we are recruiting?

I can tell you that with 10 hours it is irrelevant if you are given the toughest test or the easiest, if they take into account how long its been or not. The guy sitting next to you will know very easily by the end of that flight if you have aptitude, hand eye coordination and ability to learn. What they get you to do is irrelevant, its how you do it and improve that is what matters.

Good points. I guess it doesn't really matter but i just thought it would help to know what to expect (and hence why people read pprune). Thanks for your input.

Less than 15hrs: Basic Grading (G115 GROB)
1.) Effects of Control
2.) Straight and Level
3.) Climb and Descend + Medium Level Turn
4.) Stall, Steep Turn and Wingover
5.) Upper air circuits
6.) Circuits
7.) Final Assessment

15-25hrs: Intermediate Grading
all 7 basic grading flights (G115 Grob) + 3 aerobatics (CAP10)

25-250hrs: Advanced Grading (3 flights using G115 GROB, another 3 flights using IGATE SIM (Kingair B200)
1.) Straight and Level, Climb and Descend, Stall, Medium Level and Steep Turn, Wingover
2.) Same as above + 2 Normal Circuits + 1 Flapless Circuit
3.) Same as 2.) + 1 Practice Force Landing (PFL) + 2 Glide circuits
4.) Basic Instrument Flying + point to point navigations
5.) Basic Instrument Flying + point to point navigations + ILS Landings
6.) Final Assessment


that's the info I got from someone who went to FTA for CX cadet program in 2010, hope it helps!

AE22 start date?
 

So October hath cometh... Any AE/TT guys/gals heard any news about a start date?
I along with 2 others completed flight grading in August 2012 with a start date of 28/11/2012 until it was postponed until somewhere between October '13 to January '14.
Any news/rumors/hunches etc would be most welcomed

Stage 2 on 28 nov
 

Is there anyone will have their Stage 2 on 28-Nov? Wanna meet up for some kinda practices? :O:O

How about Stage 2 on Nov 12?
I got 4 in my group now. Should be 6 in total.

stage 2 on 11 Nov anyone? ;)

stage 2 on 11nov
 

corn leaf, pm-ed

Second officer program delay
 

Guys i have cleared stage 1 last October and was put on hold till this October and now when i tried to get some update those guys are still not certain about it ! Any one of you guys (Who is not a holder of HKID and not from HK) tried to get update on as to when is the program going to start ?

^ I'm in the same boat. I did the interview in Vancouver, BC and I'm awaiting the final interview. I emailed the flight recruitment several times throughout the year, but no reply. If there's an update let me know as well!

My update is if your waiting for CX to call you then it might be a while yet. I would suggest looking for a job with different operator.

I have nothing to base that on other than there was supposed to be announcement this month and none has been given. This would indicate that they still have no idea how many pilots they need or when they need them.

Don't wait too long.

Chute et al

It's not about numbers. CX have a clear business plan and growth strategy.

The Hong Kong Immigration department will not allow CX to recruit outside of HKG PERMANENT ID CARD HOLDERS while there are still applicants from inside HKG or those that have right of permanent abode in HKG.

If you're not a HKG(P)ID card holder, irrespective of experience, don't hold your breath, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. The website splurge is fluff, the sole intent to keep a ready pool of hopefuls in case things change with the HKG Immigrations attitude.

Basing (now there's an interesting word) your future career plans on a single employers diaphanous PR is foolhardy.

Until growth is affected by a lack of suitable local lads and ladies, nothing will happen.

Why ask the question when the ans in chiseled in the pages of this thread and for Goodness sake you already knew the answer.

Would an Indian airline hire Ab-Initio kids from HK?

"still have no idea how many pilots they need or when they need them. "
Don't worry they do know.


People can't seem to absorb the fact that the non-HKID stream is dead-in-the water. Meanwhile cadets are even coming from the HYAA, so correct don't hold your breath.

Cathay AE worth it?
 

Hey guys,

New here so bare with me, just wanted to ask a few questions regarding the Cathay Pacific AE, but before we get there I'll just state my background:
I'm a HKPID holder having moved here in the late 80's, I've applied once before to the Cathay pacific Cadet programme a while back and got rejected even before the first stage.
However since then I've decided to get my CPL Cert. IV licence in Melbourne through self sponsorship, which is going to start in Feb 14 and hopefully should be completed within an year or a year and half if I choose to do the MEIR as well, which I am probably going to do to maximise my chances.
Anyways, I wanted to ask if it's worth applying to Cathay Pacific after reading a few articles on this forum regarding pay cuts and the housing allowance being cut (for people in HK that's probably the main gripe) or would it be better to apply for one of the aussie carriers? (My missus is coming with me and she's gotten her skilled migrant visa so I can piggy back on that as a spouse which will allow me to work in Oz)
Lastly, if I do decide to apply for Cathay AE and if somehow am accepted, what should I expect in terms of the interview/practical course? as well as will I have to come back to HK (for interviews I don't mind) for a while before being sent to Adelaide for Cathay's training in FTA?

Thanks!

P.s. The CPL with MEIR will equate to around 350+ Hrs in the log - and I don't mind racking up a few hundred more hrs after the course is done in a Multi-engined aircraft at my own expense.

how is the difficulty on the reasoning tests?

Lappet
 

Reasonably difficult :}

Cheers
J

smart answer for dumb question

Capt Underpants

I think most of what you say is correct apart from the fact that it's only Ab Initio non HKID card holder applicants that the HK Immigration has a problem with.

The reason for the locals only recruitment at the moment is because CX grossly miscalculated how many SO's they needed hence a huge number who have interviewed and or passed flight grading waiting for start dates. They no longer need more than a trickle for now so locals will be able to make the numbers. Even if your local and qualify for the AE course you will have to sit through the whole ab course with the no timers as there aren't enough locals with hours to run the AE course.

If CX was so forward thinking and visionary they wouldn't have interviewed so many people in the first place. It's not immigration causing the problem it's HR not doing the numbers properly and screwing everyone around.

One poster here a few months back said he had never seen so many SO's on the bottom of the seniority list. No upgrades and no new planes means no movement.

Many things wrong with your post.

The very issue that the HK Immigration department is that there are locals waiting to be selected and trained and until there are no longer locals willing to take the job, no visas for non locals. Period.

Regarding a massive, stagnant pool of SOs, also not true. The course that CX has chosen is one of cadet intakes, nothing else, so all have to go through the system, the whole system, from induction, ab intio, Adelaide, CX induction, SO training, ad nauseum. No exceptions.

My colleagues and I are flat out training SOs at every level, but the experience and aptitude just isn't there, so it's taking much much longer than in the past, and our system has yet to adjust for that.

Hello again Capt,

When I was doing my stage 2 I was told that not enough locals were getting through the various stages of testing. Most got chopped at stage one but many were also getting the flick at stage 2 and flight grading. This would mean that there isn't a shortage of applicants but a shortage of people getting past the testing.

I would like to add that in my group only 1 person had less than 1000 hours so I don't think we were the "250 hour wonder kids" often referred to on pprune. CX could set the bar at 1000 hours for advanced entry and still get mountains of applications. This may fix some of your training problems maybe?

Are you suggesting that the number of SO's Cathay has at the moment won't be sufficient to crew flights in the near future? If that is the case then will CX again take expats or just lower the standard to get more through the door?

That's an excellent question. I know what I would prefer to see, but I can just about guarantee that whatever option CX chooses when the crunch hits (and it will)...will be the option that invokes the least cost.

There's only one thing that drives them (we read it almost daily in updates, staff letters and press releases).

Money.