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Cameron:- If you have a UK passport then use your time at school to choose your subjects carefully that can prepare you for the career you want. Learn to fly at a reputable flying school who can prepare you for your JAA License. With that under your belt and the passport you have can take your new CPL and you'll stand a high chance of having your first paid job as an FO on a jet (A320, 737, etc...) in Europe or the UK. That JAA license is the key. You'll be flying an aeroplane, earning hours and on a better salary than starting out at CX as an SO living in HK. You'll gain far more hours far, far faster than as a CX SO and hence by the time many of your peers who went to CX are doing their first take off and landing since their C152 days, you'll be light years ahead: with experience and credentials comes the opportunities.
At QF you'll need to compete with guys with a few thousand hours GA time before becoming an SO. More so, who the hell can tell what QF will look like soon after the present idiot has screwed it up.
At age 15 you've shown more maturity to at least read the previous comments before posting than many, many, many others have before you. CX don't deserve you.
Good luck.
At QF you'll need to compete with guys with a few thousand hours GA time before becoming an SO. More so, who the hell can tell what QF will look like soon after the present idiot has screwed it up.
At age 15 you've shown more maturity to at least read the previous comments before posting than many, many, many others have before you. CX don't deserve you.
Good luck.
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I've tried really hard to find an opportunity to get off turboprops but I haven't had any luck yet. So far Cathay is the only place offering me a shot (long shot) to get onto a jet. I don't have an EU or US passport.
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Did you already pass the selections?
I know someone who was a senior captain on the Cessna Caravan and he made his choice to join CX. He is now happy with it. He was neither UK/EU/US/HKG ID holder. He was from Australia.
I've heard that the recruitment of SO's will be a bit more right after the summer than it is now.
Too bad that they ask for a HKID
I know someone who was a senior captain on the Cessna Caravan and he made his choice to join CX. He is now happy with it. He was neither UK/EU/US/HKG ID holder. He was from Australia.
I've heard that the recruitment of SO's will be a bit more right after the summer than it is now.
Too bad that they ask for a HKID
short flights long nights
A "senior captain" on a Cessna Caravan? You guys really need to get a grip
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Chinabeached: It's been about 2 years since I last checked this site and your still trying your very best to be all doom and gloom.
Glad to see you're still at it on this forum lol
Glad to see you're still at it on this forum lol
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Yeah..... It's been a while! All doom and gloom? Have I been wrong anywhere?
Is the standard of applicant (generally) incompetent at even doing the minimum and basic reading research for him/herself? No. (http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ramme-281.html)
Are the standards at CX reaching lower minimums that deter experienced applicants and attract the spoilt, the ignorant and / or the naive? Yes. (see above link...)
Am I the only one seeing the rubbish for what it is? No. http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ck-cathay.html & http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ransition.html
Are present applicants pertaining to the above criteria seeing this farce for what it is? Yes. (http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...y-pacific.html)
Doom & gloom? This GenY collective of self absorbed me-first heroes have contributed to the race to the bottom with such an excitement and staunch defence the likes no industry or organisation has seen that I'm aware of. Prove me wrong. They scream that they're part of the new exciting generation of "pilots". What a toss. The requirement is purely "Are you willing to do it for A LOT less?" And you / they all say "Hell yeah! I've even bought my own vaseline!"
Might see you in a few more months where perhaps more Nostradamus-esque predictions can be illustrated.
(PS: don't panic.... Just like the rest of the iCadet do-it-for-less and screw over my colleagues guys there are a lot of pages in the links I've provided. You won't read them as to do so could make you "informed". You've been warned.)
Is the standard of applicant (generally) incompetent at even doing the minimum and basic reading research for him/herself? No. (http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ramme-281.html)
Are the standards at CX reaching lower minimums that deter experienced applicants and attract the spoilt, the ignorant and / or the naive? Yes. (see above link...)
Am I the only one seeing the rubbish for what it is? No. http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ck-cathay.html & http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ransition.html
Are present applicants pertaining to the above criteria seeing this farce for what it is? Yes. (http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...y-pacific.html)
Doom & gloom? This GenY collective of self absorbed me-first heroes have contributed to the race to the bottom with such an excitement and staunch defence the likes no industry or organisation has seen that I'm aware of. Prove me wrong. They scream that they're part of the new exciting generation of "pilots". What a toss. The requirement is purely "Are you willing to do it for A LOT less?" And you / they all say "Hell yeah! I've even bought my own vaseline!"
Might see you in a few more months where perhaps more Nostradamus-esque predictions can be illustrated.
(PS: don't panic.... Just like the rest of the iCadet do-it-for-less and screw over my colleagues guys there are a lot of pages in the links I've provided. You won't read them as to do so could make you "informed". You've been warned.)
I think the problem CX is having is the "pay everyone the same" thing they do now (I don't know if the Govt bought it in or if CX did it themselves). The expats used to get paid a whole lot more than the locals and in an attempt to get this fixed, they got every new joiners pay dramatically decreased to the local rate instead of the locals getting an increase to the expat rate.
So now I think its the immigration dept not letting CX hire fresh or very low time guys because they don't believe they posses any more skills than a fresh CX locally sourced cadet.
If DEFO recruitment did open up again the package on offer would be substantially below anything else in the region. The likes of Skymark or Korean or the dozen other Asian airlines offering expats jobs who have 500 hours on type look much more attractive (besides maybe HKA). The salary might not be that much different but the cost of living in HK seems to be spiraling out of control right now making the take home part much smaller.
Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm keen on your take China.
So now I think its the immigration dept not letting CX hire fresh or very low time guys because they don't believe they posses any more skills than a fresh CX locally sourced cadet.
If DEFO recruitment did open up again the package on offer would be substantially below anything else in the region. The likes of Skymark or Korean or the dozen other Asian airlines offering expats jobs who have 500 hours on type look much more attractive (besides maybe HKA). The salary might not be that much different but the cost of living in HK seems to be spiraling out of control right now making the take home part much smaller.
Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm keen on your take China.
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I think you're pretty much right on the mark. As with any country a company has to prove that the imported labour cannot be sourced locally first. So when taking a clueless kid with zero hours experience and zero credentials then it's hard to justify hiring from outside your home country.
The HK Government introduced the Racial Discrimination Ordinance that (in part) stated companies cannot pay differently based on race. The CX AOA tried to use this to bring the local CX pilots' salaries up in line with the vast majority of the pilot body. The difference here being the Housing Allowance. So, in a year of record profits and under the direct design of "Capt" RH they did away completely with the Housing Allowance. CX reversed it. 59/60 of us who had been waiting up to 3.5 years turned it down. So they came back 2 months later with the present C-Scale housing allowance insult. Again, none of us accepted it & to this day very, very few with experience do. Then came the "i" (international) cadet scheme where instead of the CX cadetship being used for what it was intended to be for, they changed it to open the doors globally.
NB: as per the words of the DFO "Capt" RH: the cadetship is designed to promote aviation and the chance for local HK Chinese to become a pilot with CX (quote: presentation he gave back in 2008 regarding CX's cadetship). It was NEVER intended to be used for the purposes it was turned into.
And what did this fine upstanding whiter than white DFO pay himself in return? A >70% salary increase. What a guy! Take from the many to line his own pocket.
So, when all the guys with the experience turned it down and refuse to work for such an insulting salary they have to turn to the naive and ignorant who came running in droves.
We were told in the interview that CX pay the housing allowance as they firmly believe & acknowledge that expat pilots sacrifice a lot to leave their country of origin to relocate to HK to work for CX. As such they "deserve" to not suffer a loss of lifestyle and living conditions. Not my words, CX's!
Expats needed to gain 1000's of hours in GA, regional airlines or jet time (typically > 1000 hrs PIC as well to be competitive) just to interview for a SO position for CX. Local guys do not relocate overseas. They did not have to work 2 or 3 jobs to build their hours in a C210 in the middle of nowhere for years on end. They did not have to leave home at all. They too did not have to pay a cent for their flight training and qualifications. Hence the difference that the expat Housing Allowance was designed to reflect. And the Housing Allowance was factored to the cost of housing in HK to keep it net neutral. Unlike today's C-Scale insulting package which is not. So, when you become a very senior capt at CX and get your $36k HKD (which is what a B-Scale 3rd year pilot would get!) it'll be only worth, in REAL terms, perhaps $10k, i.e. what you started with!
CX paid amongst the best to attract the best qualified. Now scum like the above mentioned have bastardised the cadetship for a money grab, purely and simply.
A few years ago approximately 15-20 Line Training Capts resigned from the Tng Dept at CX as they refused the massive workload it took to train this new breed of iCadet hero. In the past they could cope when it was perhaps an 90:10 ratio of experienced pilots to local cadets joining CX as SOs. Now with the split more like 5:95 the workload and pressures are beyond exhaustive. Ask the vast majority of present day B-Scale pilots of the standards of iCadets. Scary does not even come close.
CX simply cannot pay everyone the same. They have created a monster of dozens and dozens of different contracts that has spiralled out of control. Just look at the basing issues.
Airlines like CX have no leg to stand on when crying poor and hence the need to lower pilot salaries as they did. They did so at a time of record profits, then giving themselves massive profit bonuses, giving themselves more bonuses for losing millions of USDs in hugely wrong fuel hedging, paying themselves massive bonuses for being caught price fixing (3 times in the past decade I think?) and the fines that ensued.... Those who know the history of CX could go on more. John Warham's book illustrates this perfectly.
Real EXPERIENCED pilots will go where their experience, credentials and integrity can be respected. If an airline offers a remuneration package that compensates for that then they'll go. By remuneration package I refer to it as more than cash. Training standards, job security, lifestyle and long term career satisfaction is also what I mean. CX offers none of that anymore.
The HK Government introduced the Racial Discrimination Ordinance that (in part) stated companies cannot pay differently based on race. The CX AOA tried to use this to bring the local CX pilots' salaries up in line with the vast majority of the pilot body. The difference here being the Housing Allowance. So, in a year of record profits and under the direct design of "Capt" RH they did away completely with the Housing Allowance. CX reversed it. 59/60 of us who had been waiting up to 3.5 years turned it down. So they came back 2 months later with the present C-Scale housing allowance insult. Again, none of us accepted it & to this day very, very few with experience do. Then came the "i" (international) cadet scheme where instead of the CX cadetship being used for what it was intended to be for, they changed it to open the doors globally.
NB: as per the words of the DFO "Capt" RH: the cadetship is designed to promote aviation and the chance for local HK Chinese to become a pilot with CX (quote: presentation he gave back in 2008 regarding CX's cadetship). It was NEVER intended to be used for the purposes it was turned into.
And what did this fine upstanding whiter than white DFO pay himself in return? A >70% salary increase. What a guy! Take from the many to line his own pocket.
So, when all the guys with the experience turned it down and refuse to work for such an insulting salary they have to turn to the naive and ignorant who came running in droves.
We were told in the interview that CX pay the housing allowance as they firmly believe & acknowledge that expat pilots sacrifice a lot to leave their country of origin to relocate to HK to work for CX. As such they "deserve" to not suffer a loss of lifestyle and living conditions. Not my words, CX's!
Expats needed to gain 1000's of hours in GA, regional airlines or jet time (typically > 1000 hrs PIC as well to be competitive) just to interview for a SO position for CX. Local guys do not relocate overseas. They did not have to work 2 or 3 jobs to build their hours in a C210 in the middle of nowhere for years on end. They did not have to leave home at all. They too did not have to pay a cent for their flight training and qualifications. Hence the difference that the expat Housing Allowance was designed to reflect. And the Housing Allowance was factored to the cost of housing in HK to keep it net neutral. Unlike today's C-Scale insulting package which is not. So, when you become a very senior capt at CX and get your $36k HKD (which is what a B-Scale 3rd year pilot would get!) it'll be only worth, in REAL terms, perhaps $10k, i.e. what you started with!
CX paid amongst the best to attract the best qualified. Now scum like the above mentioned have bastardised the cadetship for a money grab, purely and simply.
A few years ago approximately 15-20 Line Training Capts resigned from the Tng Dept at CX as they refused the massive workload it took to train this new breed of iCadet hero. In the past they could cope when it was perhaps an 90:10 ratio of experienced pilots to local cadets joining CX as SOs. Now with the split more like 5:95 the workload and pressures are beyond exhaustive. Ask the vast majority of present day B-Scale pilots of the standards of iCadets. Scary does not even come close.
CX simply cannot pay everyone the same. They have created a monster of dozens and dozens of different contracts that has spiralled out of control. Just look at the basing issues.
Airlines like CX have no leg to stand on when crying poor and hence the need to lower pilot salaries as they did. They did so at a time of record profits, then giving themselves massive profit bonuses, giving themselves more bonuses for losing millions of USDs in hugely wrong fuel hedging, paying themselves massive bonuses for being caught price fixing (3 times in the past decade I think?) and the fines that ensued.... Those who know the history of CX could go on more. John Warham's book illustrates this perfectly.
Real EXPERIENCED pilots will go where their experience, credentials and integrity can be respected. If an airline offers a remuneration package that compensates for that then they'll go. By remuneration package I refer to it as more than cash. Training standards, job security, lifestyle and long term career satisfaction is also what I mean. CX offers none of that anymore.
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Well, I hate to say it but maybe it's time you changed career. Are you really gonna spend the rest of your life trying your hardest to deter all the wannabes. Whether you like it or not, times have changed and will probably keep changing for the worst. Surely you have more of a life than just to post on here about your colleagues "doing you over" as it were. When there are no other jobs out there it's pretty easy to except a contract that pays.
I'm not saying I agree with how the industry is going. Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and realise that you've missed the good pay boat. Sorry to say it bud but you should just give up complaining on these forums.
Good luck
I'm not saying I agree with how the industry is going. Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and realise that you've missed the good pay boat. Sorry to say it bud but you should just give up complaining on these forums.
Good luck
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Dangerman Dude - you're entitled to your decision to screw over the industry in the race to the bottom, as am I to speak up against it.
You moaned previously about only earning 400 GBP a month and therefore a job like CX must be lined with gold, yadda, yadda, yadda.... It only shows how easily you can be bought. Nothing more.
You've written earlier demanding people stick to the facts when posting. Have I not mentioned facts, purely and simply? What written above is untrue that you disagree with or can prove inaccurate? If so, correct me and I'll thank you. Is it not a fact that you have contributed to the downturn and lowering of standards of the industry and CX more so? Or do you only like the facts that keep your rubbery spine satisfied & seat well lubricated?
You don't agree with the way the industry is going you say? WHAT A HYPOCRITE! You raced, begged and jumped on board to push the spiral dive further and now have the shear audacity to make such a comment?? Do you also not like being kicked in the groin yet willingly stand to attention, legs apart and lacing the steel capped boot of the kicker? And repeat...
You've spent most of your time chasing me around this forum basically saying "shut up" because I disagree with what you and others of your ilk stand for: the lowering of the profession to standards myself and other like me despise.
In the not too distant future you'll be faced with a scenario of having your terms & conditions attacked and the decision to make a stand. And all the while you'll be looking around for your "colleagues" to support you. But we all know past behaviour is the greatest indicator of future behaviour. So, you'll just take the cheapest & easiest option that satisfies your ignorant demands. In the end you'll reap what you sowed but then have the immense arrogance to write "I disagree with it...."
You were hired by CX because you are the cheapest option and the leftovers from others not applying. Just another fact for you to ponder.
"Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and realise that you've missed the 'integrity' boat. Sorry to say it bud but you should just give up complaining on these forums."
You moaned previously about only earning 400 GBP a month and therefore a job like CX must be lined with gold, yadda, yadda, yadda.... It only shows how easily you can be bought. Nothing more.
You've written earlier demanding people stick to the facts when posting. Have I not mentioned facts, purely and simply? What written above is untrue that you disagree with or can prove inaccurate? If so, correct me and I'll thank you. Is it not a fact that you have contributed to the downturn and lowering of standards of the industry and CX more so? Or do you only like the facts that keep your rubbery spine satisfied & seat well lubricated?
You don't agree with the way the industry is going you say? WHAT A HYPOCRITE! You raced, begged and jumped on board to push the spiral dive further and now have the shear audacity to make such a comment?? Do you also not like being kicked in the groin yet willingly stand to attention, legs apart and lacing the steel capped boot of the kicker? And repeat...
You've spent most of your time chasing me around this forum basically saying "shut up" because I disagree with what you and others of your ilk stand for: the lowering of the profession to standards myself and other like me despise.
In the not too distant future you'll be faced with a scenario of having your terms & conditions attacked and the decision to make a stand. And all the while you'll be looking around for your "colleagues" to support you. But we all know past behaviour is the greatest indicator of future behaviour. So, you'll just take the cheapest & easiest option that satisfies your ignorant demands. In the end you'll reap what you sowed but then have the immense arrogance to write "I disagree with it...."
You were hired by CX because you are the cheapest option and the leftovers from others not applying. Just another fact for you to ponder.
"Maybe it's time to take a look at yourself and realise that you've missed the 'integrity' boat. Sorry to say it bud but you should just give up complaining on these forums."
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Haha, Chinabeached. You really make me laugh.
You're entitled to your opinions. I'm just amazed you spend every waking second on this forum complaining. I honestly think you're the one who is ignorant. You expect everyone else to live on the dole or work at tescos or woolworths boycotting the industry so you can get all the money you can get your hands on.
No matter how many facts you give and crude remarks you throw to people on this forum going against your opinion there is no way I would sit back for another ten years living with my parents and earning f all money so that you can live the dream. Get some perspective on the current world.
Wake up man.
That's me done for another couple of years. I'll catch up with you in 2016 and see if you're still blabbing on here. My guess is yes.
You're entitled to your opinions. I'm just amazed you spend every waking second on this forum complaining. I honestly think you're the one who is ignorant. You expect everyone else to live on the dole or work at tescos or woolworths boycotting the industry so you can get all the money you can get your hands on.
No matter how many facts you give and crude remarks you throw to people on this forum going against your opinion there is no way I would sit back for another ten years living with my parents and earning f all money so that you can live the dream. Get some perspective on the current world.
Wake up man.
That's me done for another couple of years. I'll catch up with you in 2016 and see if you're still blabbing on here. My guess is yes.
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Every waking moment? Previous post 26th March 2013 till recently on 14 Feb 2014. Long time between sleeps, eh?
Call it what you want kid. You sold out and screwed over your colleagues and industry because working at Tescos or Sainsburys or having to live with your parents was beneath you. 99% of the pilots you kiss tail to at CX did just what you believe you're too good for in order to get ahead. They "earned" the job. You on the other hand took a job only as the cheapest option going.
Dole? No. I and many sharing my opinion advocate getting off your ignorant, arrogant & precious ar$e and EARNING a job as opposed to undercutting a market to get one. But still it's the severe lack of standards, experience and ability that you have no concept of and others here are sick of wet-nursing daily.
I welcome others' opinions but come back with facts. Your sole argument is "me-first".
You undercut the market knowingly and deliberately in terms of salary, experience and credentials. Yet I bet you'll scream in defence of the seniority system while at the same time if given the chance you'd leap over many before you with more time at the company, more experience, more credentials just so YOU can get what YOU think YOU deserve without a care for the damage done, let alone long term repercussions.
So, do you defined the seniority system? If so your hypocrisy just grows further and further.
You have zero respect in the global airline industry already as a CX "iCadet". You must be aware of that?
"Wake up man"? HA! I'll be crying laughing when your T&C's are attacked in the near future. When you're trying to raise a family on a single C-Scale income with wife unable to work and baby crying at 3 am, perhaps another on the way. Remind me to tell you to "wake up man!"
Call it what you want kid. You sold out and screwed over your colleagues and industry because working at Tescos or Sainsburys or having to live with your parents was beneath you. 99% of the pilots you kiss tail to at CX did just what you believe you're too good for in order to get ahead. They "earned" the job. You on the other hand took a job only as the cheapest option going.
Dole? No. I and many sharing my opinion advocate getting off your ignorant, arrogant & precious ar$e and EARNING a job as opposed to undercutting a market to get one. But still it's the severe lack of standards, experience and ability that you have no concept of and others here are sick of wet-nursing daily.
I welcome others' opinions but come back with facts. Your sole argument is "me-first".
You undercut the market knowingly and deliberately in terms of salary, experience and credentials. Yet I bet you'll scream in defence of the seniority system while at the same time if given the chance you'd leap over many before you with more time at the company, more experience, more credentials just so YOU can get what YOU think YOU deserve without a care for the damage done, let alone long term repercussions.
So, do you defined the seniority system? If so your hypocrisy just grows further and further.
You have zero respect in the global airline industry already as a CX "iCadet". You must be aware of that?
"Wake up man"? HA! I'll be crying laughing when your T&C's are attacked in the near future. When you're trying to raise a family on a single C-Scale income with wife unable to work and baby crying at 3 am, perhaps another on the way. Remind me to tell you to "wake up man!"
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Yeah, call me kid. I'm sure 99% of the current pilots lived with their parents and worked at Tescos until they were 39. You're hilarious. You have no idea what some people have been through. You really think everyone that joins the industry these days is a fresh faced 18 year old with no life experience. You sir are the arrogant and ignorant one. Pull your head out of your arse.
I beg to differ. I think your whole argument mainly boils down to being all about YOU, and what's best for YOU.
I beg to differ. I think your whole argument mainly boils down to being all about YOU, and what's best for YOU.
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Last throw of the dice with you kid, fella, whatever..... Pompous 39 year old banker who made millions and now playing at being Mr CX "Dangerman" Pilot Dude? Perhaps? (I'd hate to second guess your circumstances....!!! However such iCadets do exist, don't they!)
No, I don't know everyone's circumstance but I do know what it once took to get a job at CX. You cannot fathom it & whats more don't care to. If (say) you are 39 years of age and on struggle street as a pilot maybe that says more about your ability than misfortunate circumstance? Still what does that say if someone at age 39 cannot secure a job as a pilot anywhere else but CX take him as an iCadet?
The "starving artist" argument does't wash. Your art is crap. That's why no one buys it. Starving pilot on 400 GBP a month as you were? Same argument. You couldn't get a job anywhere else because standards & experience were too high so you went where they were low enough.
Not about me. I voted with my feet. As did 59/60 of us.
P!ssed off? A care about CX? Hell no. Everyone I know who works there hates the way the are treated. Add to that the direct & undeniable pressures C-Scale places on their CoS??!! They've lost more job security through the likes of you.
What annoys me & why I have posted here so often is the likes of you are a plague on the profession and industry. You drive down the standards, the integrity and conditions of the job in order to get what you couldn't before and need such pathetic standards to get by.
You took what we turned down as an insult & slur against the profession and define it as an opportunity.
Remember kid, fella, banker, "Dangerman Pilot Dude", no matter how you defend it you are still the cheapest bum in a seat. Nothing more.
No, I don't know everyone's circumstance but I do know what it once took to get a job at CX. You cannot fathom it & whats more don't care to. If (say) you are 39 years of age and on struggle street as a pilot maybe that says more about your ability than misfortunate circumstance? Still what does that say if someone at age 39 cannot secure a job as a pilot anywhere else but CX take him as an iCadet?
The "starving artist" argument does't wash. Your art is crap. That's why no one buys it. Starving pilot on 400 GBP a month as you were? Same argument. You couldn't get a job anywhere else because standards & experience were too high so you went where they were low enough.
Not about me. I voted with my feet. As did 59/60 of us.
P!ssed off? A care about CX? Hell no. Everyone I know who works there hates the way the are treated. Add to that the direct & undeniable pressures C-Scale places on their CoS??!! They've lost more job security through the likes of you.
What annoys me & why I have posted here so often is the likes of you are a plague on the profession and industry. You drive down the standards, the integrity and conditions of the job in order to get what you couldn't before and need such pathetic standards to get by.
You took what we turned down as an insult & slur against the profession and define it as an opportunity.
Remember kid, fella, banker, "Dangerman Pilot Dude", no matter how you defend it you are still the cheapest bum in a seat. Nothing more.
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ChinaB does have a valid point on a crucial matter; icadets are not pilots in the accepted sense and will live with the sub-grade stamp for the rest of their career. In the same way that a burger flipper at McDonald's will never be a chefs, icadets will never enter the realm of 'flyers' except in the words of turned pilot managers who financially gain from their seat occupation.
It's not personal. They just don't have the experience to qualify their judgement, nor the skill to save the day when computers and SOPs fall short. And if anybody with experience in training and checking tells you different then they're lying. At the end of the day you get what you pay for.
Sure. There may be a prodogy or two with golden hands and wisdom far beyond his years, but they are far between and certainly do not reflect our average one striper.
If the future is icadets then the future is pilotless.
It's not personal. They just don't have the experience to qualify their judgement, nor the skill to save the day when computers and SOPs fall short. And if anybody with experience in training and checking tells you different then they're lying. At the end of the day you get what you pay for.
Sure. There may be a prodogy or two with golden hands and wisdom far beyond his years, but they are far between and certainly do not reflect our average one striper.
If the future is icadets then the future is pilotless.