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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 6th Mar 2014, 08:21
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Physics Test?

If any of you are still wondering, the physics test was perhaps one of the easiest and most relaxing part of the compass. The questions are easy, I can answer them in less then 10 seconds, most require basic concepts you probably know from elementary school with almost no math. They also involve a little aerodynamic questions, which should also be fine if you studied the JKI.

Seawolf2- It wasn't so hard was it?

Jackykiller- Why next year? Why not now?
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Old 6th Mar 2014, 11:35
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Some people think that there is going to be some dramatic increase in pilot recruitment at CX because of aircraft orders in place. The reality is far different. Between now and 2024 CX will retire approximately 70 aircraft from its fleet. This includes 21 x B747-400 pax and freighters, 12 x A340-300, 5 x B777-200, 12 x B777-300, and 17 x A330-300. In that same time frame 93 aircraft are on order. This is a net gain of 23 aircraft or 2.3 aircraft per year.

Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.

Lastly it was asked when CX will start AE & TT courses again. TT is currently on hold as there isn’t the need for many SO’s. AE will probably never return as the HK Immigration Department from what I have been told doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for the granting of a sponsored work visa. There are two fundamental requirements that an employer must meet when sponsoring an expatriate employee in HK. The prospective employee MUST bring into HK a QUALIFICATION and EXPERIENCE that isn’t readily available in HK. Since an AE pilot doesn’t hold an ATPL because they don’t meet the experience requirements to hold one the HK Immigration Department from what I gather doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for a visa.
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Old 7th Mar 2014, 01:28
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Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.
Does this mean we will see a slow-down or even a halt in SO recruitment?
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Old 7th Mar 2014, 03:11
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Originally Posted by DrakeSkyle
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Does this mean we will see a slow-down or even a halt in SO recruitment?
If there is a lower requirement for SO's because of the new AFTL's then yes SO recruitment could slow down or even be halted for a while.



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Old 7th Mar 2014, 05:36
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That's why I smile when people come out during Singapore Air show and say industry needs 50000 pilots.

Another pilot mill:

http://business.asiaone.com/news/sia...ning-programme

http://www.ctcaviation.com/news/arti...res_for_growth

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/...d-to-soar.html

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Old 7th Mar 2014, 07:44
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Because I am not ready, both English and technical knowledge
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 02:43
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Just curious...
How does CX assign pilots to fly passengers aircraft or freighters?
Some pilots need to fly freighters because of their performance?
thanks!
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 07:49
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is there a document abt the amendment in “Flight Time Limitation”?
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Old 8th Mar 2014, 23:14
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magic_nic

I can’t provide a copy of CX’s AFTL’s as they are in a company document which isn’t permitted to be distributed outside the company. I would suggest though contacting:

Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association (HKAOA)

Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD)

And having a read of:

“HKCAD 371 (Second Edition) THE AVOIDANCE OF FATIGUE IN AIRCREWS”

This "resembles" the new AFTL’s that CX operate under as it was built around it but there are variations. Crewing being one of them.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 20:10
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Cost of Training

Around how much does the company pay for the training of each new Cadet?

That include air fares, accommodation, ground school, flight training etc.
How much resource was mobilized for every cadet in the program?

I have done my searches in this thread and it suggests the figure to lie somewhere around 1.2 - 1.3 million HKD which cadets must pay if facing a premature leave. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 10th Mar 2014, 22:52
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Do you think this could mean accepting applicants for direct entry FOs in the near future (if less SOs are needed and SO positions are filled by cadets with no real flying experience?)
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:41
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fozzi

Short answer, no. The new AFTL’s haven’t increased the need for FO’s at all. What they have done is to reduce the crewing requirement overall by eliminating the need for SO’s on the majority of Long Haul flights. Any shortfall in FO’s and Capt’s that may eventuate because of additional down route rest required with 3 man Long Range Ops will be made up by internal promotions.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 16:59
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Pilot reduced

Welp, does that mean a more rigorous selection for Hong Kong kids?

Or is it counter balanced by crucifying the expats?

How do you see the selection intensity now comparing it to a few years ago?


I'm having initial B in a few days and am already loosing sleep over this =_=
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:55
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If your eliminating the need for SO's and increasing the need for FO's then you will have to look at DEFO!

If you halve the amount of SO's you have but the number of FO's stays the same where will you get the extra's from for filling the FO spots as they become available?
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 19:22
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they just fall out of skies

I think it will go down like what 404 said.

Internal promotions to upgrade their 'experienced' SOs so they become FOs. The new regulation allows SOs on fewer long haul flights, they will not have a shortage on either side, saves money and labor...
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 14:40
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Looking for wingman on 26/3 stage two interview

Looking for my wingman on 26/3 stage two cx interview
Please leave a message if you see this
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 02:24
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Some pilots need to fly freighters because of their performance?
Gold! Naughty pilot.....
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 06:17
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pilotchute

Local recruitment of cadets from Hong Kong will more than satisfy the need for SO’s for the foreseeable future. There are about 50 long haul flights a day that are potentially affected by the new “AFTL’s”. A reduction of 25% of the crewing requirement on these flights will have an effect on SO recruitment as evidenced by the fact the TT recruitment stream hasn’t been restarted.

The next step in this jigsaw puzzle is the renaming of SO’s as Cruise FO’s. Once the HKCAD changes the requirement for Base Training (Circuits with touch & go landings) in the real aircraft rather than in a sim, SO’s will become Cruise FO’s and meet the requirements for 3 man long range ops. Cruise FO’s will have the same restrictions as SO’s, i.e. no take-offs or landing and only allowed in the seat above FL200, oh and I nearly forgot, the same pay as an SO or if the cynical side of me is right, probably less.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 07:35
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Stage 2 on May 27

Hi guys, is there anyone having their stage2 interview on May 27? maybe we can practise together
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 07:44
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is everyone reading "useful tools useful notes for pilot interview" from DCT?
how do u guys find it?
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