Has the Short Course for CPL/F-ATPL been approve yet?

[airplaneridesrfun]

.... Because FTA Australia is the expert on this. How about a link to the Australian tax code that explains in detail the requirements? This is a job, and at that a bonded job in HK (not too many of those around), not private student training.

[lpuk]

Australian Visas for Cadets

Is a "Cadet" deemed to be a "job"?

I suspect not - until such time as CX offer an employment contract after satisfactory completion of the course. As such the link under "Private Student" should not distinguish between sponsored or unsponsored students.

Furthermore, no "employment duties" would be carried out during the period in Australia, and no remuneration paid - Cadets are in Australia to learn, not to earn!!

[airplaneridesrfun]

ipuk,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. It makes sense now. So, cadets do not sign a contract, or training bond before they go to Adelaide. They finish their course, and then are offered employment (sometimes a year after completion of the course). Basically, it is free training for anyone who wants to go to Australia for a year. No implied job at all, therefore the 'cadets' are free to do as they please once the course is finished. Thanks for the free training, housing, per diem.... see you later! No wonder so many are interested in the program.

[biggles7374]

All Airline Cadets at FTA require to have a valid Student Visa if they do not have Citizenship, Permanent Residency or another suitable visa. The information on the Private Aviation Training link is equally applicable to private individuals as it is sponsored airline cadets.

Under the DIAC rules Student Visa holders (aviation related or not) can apply for the right to work for up to 20 hours per week..and this is usually granted. Indeed many students outside aviation do work to help fund their drinking money at weekends!!!

[holdmetight]

Under the DIAC rules Student Visa holders (aviation related or not) can apply for the right to work for up to 20 hours per week..and this is usually granted. Indeed many students outside aviation do work to help fund their drinking money at weekends!!!

That is true, though I don't think any actual CX cadets would have the need for part-time employment outside their training. Doing a CPL, ATPL subjects and MECIR within the span of 1.2 years is probably enough to keep them on their toes!

While the CX cadet program has been opened up to international applicants with all sorts of experience, it does occur to me that some facets of the program have not been updated or improved along with this change. As a result the loophole on "free training without obligations" comes into existence. This problem did not exist when the CPP was restricted to HKG locals - I mean, with their cadet training done, where else could these locals find jobs, except with CX? I wonder what Cathay have done/will do to address this problem. Perhaps getting people to pay (a deposit) for their training would be a solution? Who knows.

[airplaneridesrfun]

me thinks that buying a ticket to hong kong to interview a few times is deposit enough! I mean, you can get a PPL in the states for under 6k. why bother with this program? I think most people would choose to spend their resources elsewhere than aviation; where they will be home with their families, have their contract honored, and not have to put up with the CX mentality! just my 2 cents.

[holdmetight]

airplaneridesrfun

For guys with absolutely no experience or no jet time, this program is a great way to get fast-tracked into the airline system for some time on the heavies. No doubt you need to pay for plane tickets and accomodation for a few interviews. You may even be giving up a fat paycheck at home for this, or much more. But if you think about how much it costs a guy who pays for his own training, slugs it out instructing or flying turboprops for regional airlines, then joins the airlines... the financial cost of using the CX cadet program to get into a major airline, is minimal because when you start you are already flying jets.

I do agree with you on the "free training, no obligations" bit though. For non-local cadets, joining as a CX cadet is kind of like doing your stint at regional flying/GA, only you are flying B777s instead of ATR72s. Afterwards with all the experience under your belt you are actually free to find some greener pastures. That is why I wonder what CX will do to try to keep these people from moving on.

[blue_side_up]

airplaneridesrfun:

Perhaps you should keep up to date on the interview process at CX, before posting nonsense.

International cadets are now interviewed internationally, ie: not in Hong Kong. People do have the option to interview in HK, but that's their own choice (and expense). If they interview overseas, and are successful, the next stage is in HK, with tickets, hotel, and allowance paid by CX.

Secondly, how is a 6K PPL comparable to a jet job with a major airline??? Sure, CX is not the be-all and end-all of aviation, but it is an opportunity.

Regarding contracts, well we all know that every industry worldwide, except aviation, honor their employment contracts, and never, ever lay off. Note extreme sarcasm.

Holdmetight:
Your comment is very valid. How will CX entice Int'l cadets to stay long-term? The pot will have to be 'sweetened' down the road. As far as the bean-counters are concerned though, I suspect they only really worry about this financial year, and maybe the next. What happens in 5 or 10yrs is an eternity away.

[K3nnyboy]

Hi all,

there's been rumour coming out from Parrafield that the short course is gonna takle place in July, anyone got details?? Better yet, does anyone know if CX are gonna keep the short course running for a while?? I am still studying for my ATPL and renewing my ME-CIR.

cheers~~

KB

[SloppyJoe]

I don't think you need to worry about the short course ending. It is a replacement for DESO recruitment, only takes a couple more months to get someone online but they only pay half what they need to for a DESO for the first two years which then drops down to only paying about a third of a DESO package for a couple of years and then back to paying about half for the next 6 or so years when a JFO/FO. Intake for the short course will probably fluctuate more with the requirements of the airline for new pilots but I doubt it will end soon.

[K3nnyboy]

replacing DESO with short-course.....well, I guess it can be a good thing as well as a bad. At least now, those who got their CPL would get a chance to get into something big~~~

It would be a very interesting sight when all these are happening. Are they gonna formally advertise about the short course?

[holdmetight]

Given the sheer volume of applications, advertisements for the CPP should be the last thing on the agenda.

[K3nnyboy]

HAHA...TRUE~~~though I thought there's would be something about the short course on their web-site.

[Torque Roll]

Kenny,

The HR lady in my interview said that the fast track course is for CPL holders with at least 250 hours. Starting towards the end of the year lasting for 5-6 months.

TR.

[K3nnyboy]

Hey TR,

Thanks for the heads up~~In that case I think im going to put in my application soon, just hit over 270 hours, I thought the fast track was design for people with a frozen ATPL, but regardless, im gonna give it a shot now anyway and see how I go.

Cheers~

KB

[A330-343E]

Hi KB, you are right. The fast track requires you to obtain a frozen ATPL. Pre-qualified Cadet Programme minimum requirements: -

Holds a valid 1st class medical certificate without restriction
Holder of ICAO frozen ATPL
Has at least 250 flying hours or as required by Hong Kong Civil
Aviation Department for the conversion to a Hong Kong CPL
Holder of Hong Kong Permanent Identity Card (not sure if this applies to CX).

Best of luck to anyone who is looking into this programme.

[cxprune]

news

the idea of working with people that are willing to sacrifice proper pay packages (read housing) makes me nauseous. And this falls in line with those who want to be international cadets. Not one of you will merit any respect, as you are all prostitutes.....the lowest common denominator. People like you looking for fast track, because you think you deserve it. Trust me, this feeling is not unique.....so here is a question....how do you feel preparing for a job where you will be hated by your peers??? Constant pressure on pay due to people like you willing to work for nothing. And the fact that management is laughing that you can be so stupid should tell you something.

[blue_side_up]

cxprune: go wallow in your own misery and/or feelings of moral superiority somewhere else. Or perhaps you might enlighten us on your actual position within CX (if you do work for CX), and a summary of your aviation background. I've no doubt we could find some shining examples in your own star-studded history that we might be able to interpret as 'prostitution' on your own part.

Your post stinks of the same logic that 'encouraged' (read: threatened) S/O and F/O applicants from applying (the 'recruitment ban' for 3-4yrs), after the whole nasty 49'er event. Meanwhile, current union members wasted no time in accepting upgrades into the still-warm seats of their fired 49'er colleagues. The saying 'pick on someone your own size' comes to mind, as does bullying. I'm sure you, as an upstanding member of the CX flight crew fraternity, upon learning of the reduced benefits package being offered to new Cadet recruits, marched straight upstairs to the DFO's office, where you argued your grievance in person. Get a backbone!

However, in theory I do agree that CX is taking advantage of market supply/demand to, very unfortunately, reduce the package/conditions. Unfortunately this is not the first airline or business to do such a thing. I don't agree with it either, but I empatically believe those currently applying need to make up their own mind on whether to accept the package. They most certainly are not 'prostitutes', and I think there are very few pilots in the airline that will 'hate their peers' in this case. This is not strike breaking, is it.

Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see anyone posting that they deserved the fast-track. Seems they were merely enquiring about it, as they should.

I'm laughing at you that you could be so ignorant and self-righteous to post such c^&p.

Rant finished.

[cxprune]

The only ignorance is that of the prostitutes, and their senseless belief that coming to Hong Kong is a step in the right direction. Taking a non pilot or a green pilot with ZERO fuc*ing idea of what this industry is about, and how their decision affects the whole is not some air of superiority....as you put it....there is no self righteousness. I have worked hard to achieve my position, and I, as are many, uprooted at these proceedings.

And for you to state, " just pop in to T.T or N.R office is plain lunacy. If you had half a brain, you would realize that they know this already. This is their plan....the lowering of conditions for all. Unfortunately, you have to see the forest through the trees, and understand that this undertaking is placed on the shoulders of applicants.... But, as I mentioned earlier, prostitutes are the lowest common denominator, and we all know what they subject themselves to.

Once again, they deserve zero respect, and will be hated by most. (I now state most, as obviously you frequent wan chai, and thrive on this behavior)

[T-Mass]

cxprune,

2 posts and you start off with this sh!t? TROLL.