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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 27th May 2023, 09:20
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That's why smart guys won't fall for it, only the foolish and the lazy ones would keep clinging on the program.
I am so happy that I did not have to pay anything when I joined, and nothing was taken away from me neither.
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Old 27th May 2023, 10:15
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Originally Posted by d_lane92
Bahahaha ...HKD 500 per day ??!! You joking ?! I would love to have a look of that brochure .

My cousin is one of the cadet from oversea, he 's receiving NOTHING in HONG KONG, no subsides , allowance or accommodation been provide . WE the family has to support his life in such expensive city !
He's been told that flying phrase will be in Arizona US , accommodation will be provided with daily allowance is around US 24 per day , that 's not even enough to cover meals ! and they have to share a ROOM with another person . Cathay really brings cost cutting into next level .

Honestly, where does this sense of entitlement come from? Do you / your cousin actually care about aviation or just want to get a lot of free something for nothing?
In what world do you live in where you can live, eat and get educated for free as someone with zero knowledge or experience? Full sponsorships / scholarships are a rare thing now (not just in aviation) and the fact of the matter is that most people don't even have access to them and must pay out of pocket / take out a massive loan to put themselves through an integrated course or work whilst going modular.
Even students who are self-funded on an integrated course who have accommodation provided also need to pay for their own expenses (food, transport etc) whilst having no income for the duration of studies.
A quick look in the wannabes forum will show you that such students in these courses have also now lost a lot of money because certain ATOs have gone bust in the UK. That's some kids parents mortgage, gone.
The company offers you the opportunity, it's up to you to make it work for you. Not the other way around.
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Old 28th May 2023, 00:31
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Originally Posted by Angle_of_Attack
Honestly, where does this sense of entitlement come from? Do you / your cousin actually care about aviation or just want to get a lot of free something for nothing?
In what world do you live in where you can live, eat and get educated for free as someone with zero knowledge or experience? Full sponsorships / scholarships are a rare thing now (not just in aviation) and the fact of the matter is that most people don't even have access to them and must pay out of pocket / take out a massive loan to put themselves through an integrated course or work whilst going modular.
Even students who are self-funded on an integrated course who have accommodation provided also need to pay for their own expenses (food, transport etc) whilst having no income for the duration of studies.
A quick look in the wannabes forum will show you that such students in these courses have also now lost a lot of money because certain ATOs have gone bust in the UK. That's some kids parents mortgage, gone.
The company offers you the opportunity, it's up to you to make it work for you. Not the other way around.
Wasn’t really want to waste my time to reply this kind of non sense but thought I would like to clarify certain things.

“ In what world do you live in where you can live, eat and get educated for free as someone with zero knowledge or experience?” …. My cousin is a license holder with more than CPL . He’s eligible for direct entry SO just Cathay put him into this kind of “ advanced cadet courseOf course nothing is free and he paid million for his flight training license out from pocket .”

“Full sponsorships / scholarships are a rare thing “ …. Do your research first .Qantas, virgin , SQ , Cebu , starlux etc cadet program are sponsored . If you still want to see that as rare thing .

Even students who are self-funded on an integrated course who have accommodation provided also need to pay for their own expenses (food, transport etc) whilst having no income for the duration of studies.… again do you research or just read what ppl wrote. Cadets train in FTA will be provided accommodation and meals , and they live on campus , technically they don’t actually need too much extra money during their flight training as long as they are happy to just stay on campus and have meals there . However cadets in Arizona will not be provided meals and doesn’t live on campus , which means without other options they got to sort this out on their own cost .

“The company offers you the opportunity, it's up to you to make it work for you. Not the other way around.“ …. with such Asian mindset that’s reason why Cathay could continuously and constantly treats their staff like S . There’s always die hard fans. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I guess you are just one of those kids with zero flight experience/ less knowledge, been spending daddy’s money and with no concerns abt finances .Begging to join Cathay , happy to work for them even without getting pay as the OPPORTUNITY . “ I LOVE CATHAY AND JUST WANT THE HOURSSS” Lmao


The purpose of sharing my cousin’s experience was to remind the rest to be prepared for the training especially financially as it may not be what they expect. I haven’t even mentioned how Cathay HR mislead and provided false information before having him sign the contract and made that point of no return . Anyway wasting too much my precious time on this non sense . haters gonna hate.

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Old 28th May 2023, 00:47
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Originally Posted by d_lane92
Wasn’t really want to waste my time to reply this kind of non sense but thought I would like to clarify certain things.

“ In what world do you live in where you can live, eat and get educated for free as someone with zero knowledge or experience?” …. My cousin is a license holder with more than CPL . He’s eligible for direct entry SO just Cathay put him into this kind of “ advanced cadet courseOf course nothing is free and he paid million for his flight training license out from pocket .”

“Full sponsorships / scholarships are a rare thing “ …. Do your research first .Qantas, virgin , SQ , Cebu , starlux etc cadet program are sponsored . If you still want to see that as rare thing .

Even students who are self-funded on an integrated course who have accommodation provided also need to pay for their own expenses (food, transport etc) whilst having no income for the duration of studies.… again do you research or just read what ppl wrote. Cadets train in FTA will be provided accommodation and meals , and they live on campus , technically they don’t actually need too much extra money during their flight training as long as they are happy to just stay on campus and have meals there . However cadets in Arizona will not be provided meals and doesn’t live on campus , which means without other options they got to sort this out on their own cost .

“The company offers you the opportunity, it's up to you to make it work for you. Not the other way around.“ …. with such Asian mindset that’s reason why Cathay could continuously and constantly treats their staff like S . There’s always die hard fans. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I guess you are just one of those kids with zero flight experience/ less knowledge, been spending daddy’s money and with no concerns abt finances .Begging to join Cathay , happy to work for them even without pay as the OPPORTUNITY . “ I LOVE CATHAY AND JUST WANT THE HOURSSS” Lmao


The purpose of sharing my cousin’s experience was to remind the rest to be prepared for the training especially financially as it may not be what they expect. I haven’t even mentioned how Cathay HR mislead and provided false information before having him sign the contract and made that point of no return . Anyway wasting too much my precious time on this non sense . haters gonna hate.
Can’t agree more. Exactly what happened with my friend lately and yes their HR and management are very disorganised .

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Old 28th May 2023, 16:55
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Some people wanting to be stupid and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it...
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Old 29th May 2023, 11:16
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Originally Posted by qwerty2023
Hello everyone!

I'm a bit unfamiliar with HKCAD and CX, so I'm puzzled by the phenomenon of CX's Second Officer (SO) lasting for 6 to 7 years.
This is unusual because, in most countries, the SO phase is just a period for accumulating experience, typically lasting one to two years.

Initially, I thought this might be due to CX's heavy fleet, which could require higher standards for FO promotion. However, in a similar airline like SIA, SOs often get promoted within 1.5 years. So, it doesn't seem to be the case.

Then, what could be the reason? Is it due to CX's unique FO experience requirements or specific licensing experience requirements from HKCAD? Are there any documents or regulations supporting this requirement?


PS: My impression is that CX has a requirement of 2,000 hours of experience for FO promotion. Is this true?


I appreciate anyone who can help clarify my confusion. Thank you for your generosity!
Can anyone help me with this question?
What are the requirements for promoting from SO to FO?
Is 6+ years a special case of CX or HKCAD?
Thanks a lot!
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Old 30th May 2023, 02:04
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Originally Posted by qwerty2023
Can anyone help me with this question?
What are the requirements for promoting from SO to FO?
Is 6+ years a special case of CX or HKCAD?
Thanks a lot!
The easiest answer is,
A) Not enough of trainers.
B) Too many SOs at the moment. Shortage of Captains.
C) Many SOs are still waiting for a start date.
C) From the management point of view, why should we promote them when we can pay them SO salary to do FO job?

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Old 30th May 2023, 07:29
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Originally Posted by d_lane92
Bahahaha ...HKD 500 per day ??!! You joking ?! I would love to have a look of that brochure .

My cousin is one of the cadet from oversea, he 's receiving NOTHING in HONG KONG, no subsides , allowance or accommodation been provide . WE the family has to support his life in such expensive city !
He's been told that flying phrase will be in Arizona US , accommodation will be provided with daily allowance is around US 24 per day , that 's not even enough to cover meals ! and they have to share a ROOM with another person . Cathay really brings cost cutting into next level .
Are you talking about 2023?

And 500 per day is per diem for CX engineering staff who's taking courses in HK. It's not from the cadet programme brochure.

I'd rather stay in Shenzhen and travel daily if there's no allowance or housing provided.
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Old 30th May 2023, 12:48
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Originally Posted by d_lane92
Wasn’t really want to waste my time to reply this kind of non sense but thought I would like to clarify certain things.

“ In what world do you live in where you can live, eat and get educated for free as someone with zero knowledge or experience?” …. My cousin is a license holder with more than CPL . He’s eligible for direct entry SO just Cathay put him into this kind of “ advanced cadet courseOf course nothing is free and he paid million for his flight training license out from pocket .”

“Full sponsorships / scholarships are a rare thing “ …. Do your research first .Qantas, virgin , SQ , Cebu , starlux etc cadet program are sponsored . If you still want to see that as rare thing .

Even students who are self-funded on an integrated course who have accommodation provided also need to pay for their own expenses (food, transport etc) whilst having no income for the duration of studies.… again do you research or just read what ppl wrote. Cadets train in FTA will be provided accommodation and meals , and they live on campus , technically they don’t actually need too much extra money during their flight training as long as they are happy to just stay on campus and have meals there . However cadets in Arizona will not be provided meals and doesn’t live on campus , which means without other options they got to sort this out on their own cost .

“The company offers you the opportunity, it's up to you to make it work for you. Not the other way around.“ …. with such Asian mindset that’s reason why Cathay could continuously and constantly treats their staff like S . There’s always die hard fans. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I guess you are just one of those kids with zero flight experience/ less knowledge, been spending daddy’s money and with no concerns abt finances .Begging to join Cathay , happy to work for them even without getting pay as the OPPORTUNITY . “ I LOVE CATHAY AND JUST WANT THE HOURSSS” Lmao


The purpose of sharing my cousin’s experience was to remind the rest to be prepared for the training especially financially as it may not be what they expect. I haven’t even mentioned how Cathay HR mislead and provided false information before having him sign the contract and made that point of no return . Anyway wasting too much my precious time on this non sense . haters gonna hate.
Apologies for the late reply, I don't obsessively check this forum as many of you Negative Nancy's seem to.

If he was eligible for DESO, he would've entered as DESO, if DESO was an option. Otherwise mentioning he's eligible for something that isn't offered is kind of pointless.
Also, why still accept a cadetship in that case? Especially with such a "poor" airline, when, as you say, there are SO MANY other options available out there. I think we both know the answer to this.

And thank you for proving my point. You listed 5 airlines that offer supposed "full sponsorships" whilst conveniently ignoring / avoiding my point about them not being ACCESSIBLE to most people.
They all come with some with conditions or limitations (be it nationality requirements, quota, fund limits, etc. )
Five (six, including CX) out of 100s of airlines in the world is precisely my definition of rare.
You should do your own research to see which one of the airlines you listed are still actually offering cadetships, although I don't see the point (again) in mentioning cadetships that most people can't apply for, unless you happen to hold multiple citizenships / nationalities. Which makes the opportunities available to any given individual - you guessed it - RARE.

I'd like to believe that your intention was genuinely and simply to caution people thinking of applying for the CX cadetship to be financially prepared, but the tone of your message begs to differ.

BTW, all your assumptions about me are completely incorrect. But then again, rational thinking doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

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Old 31st May 2023, 07:16
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Originally Posted by YSOSERIOUS
Are you talking about 2023?

And 500 per day is per diem for CX engineering staff who's taking courses in HK. It's not from the cadet programme brochure.

I'd rather stay in Shenzhen and travel daily if there's no allowance or housing provided.
i m sure he/ she is talking about 2023 ! haha

As my friend is currently in the cadet program as well , he told me there’s no allowance and accommodation provided from Cathay during the training in Hong Kong .
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Old 31st May 2023, 10:16
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Signed a contract with Polytechnic while still paying you allowance when you can live at home and make your own lunch box? That does not sound the modern Cathay Pacific I know of. People really need to wake up and understand how CX management works these days. Wouldn't be surprised if they take away your allowance for six years rather than just three.

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Old 31st May 2023, 23:03
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my god lol some people really be complaining about a $30k hkd paycheck with 250hrs... then they realize pilots in canada get paid $45k cad (260k hkd) a year with 1500hrs
typical path to airline in canada:
- ppl (out of pocket)
- cpl (out of pocket)
- multi/ifr (out of pocket)
- cfi and instructor job paying about $30k/year cad, so you probably need to work a second job
- 1500hrs and take atpl
- entry level FO at a regional paying $45k/year cad

but OMG CATHAY CADET SO **** FOR LAZY AND FOOLISH PEOPLE
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Old 1st Jun 2023, 10:04
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Is the cadet program opened for foreign nationalities? I read more than 10 pages recent posts here and it seems like many of AUS and also other foreigners are undergoing this program currently.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 01:38
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The page still states that Hong Kong PR is a requirement so I doubt that it's opened for non-Hongkongers.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 04:11
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Originally Posted by Sleepsleep
CXKR2022

The page still states that Hong Kong PR is a requirement so I doubt that it's opened for non-Hongkongers.
You forget about our Mainland counterparts..
Gotta be more precise otherwise people in the North think they are still being excluded from this big party
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 04:59
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Hello Everyone,
I am currently in a process of making a decision and I find this forum being very informative.
As per previous replies and discussions, i got the impression that CX will NOT pay any salary or allowances during the CADET Program which is about 55 weeks.
Is it correct ? all cadets are being expected to fund themselves and without being paid during the program period ?

I am a local PR, so in case that there is NO salary and NO allowances during the 55 weeks cadet training, I will have to consider my financial position prior to making any decisions.

Appreciate your feedback.
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 12:32
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Originally Posted by Kawa07
Hello Everyone,
I am currently in a process of making a decision and I find this forum being very informative.
As per previous replies and discussions, i got the impression that CX will NOT pay any salary or allowances during the CADET Program which is about 55 weeks.
Is it correct ? all cadets are being expected to fund themselves and without being paid during the program period ?

I am a local PR, so in case that there is NO salary and NO allowances during the 55 weeks cadet training, I will have to consider my financial position prior to making any decisions.

Appreciate your feedback.
Kawa07,

Cadets don't make a full salary regardless whether you are on the legacy program or integrated program. This has been their general practice since many years ago.
That said, you do get some allowance while you are in overseas, but I can promise you, it won't be a lot, (Think of it as pocket money to pay for food and transportation)
If you are single, have no family, no kids, not a milk ticket of the family, no mortgages, no debt in the bank, no student loan to pay, have savings in your bank account, then you should be OK.
But if you are not, then you really have to think twice or thrice before you sign on the dots.

Good luck
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 14:06
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Originally Posted by trigonometry
Kawa07,

Cadets don't make a full salary regardless whether you are on the legacy program or integrated program. This has been their general practice since many years ago.
That said, you do get some allowance while you are in overseas, but I can promise you, it won't be a lot, (Think of it as pocket money to pay for food and transportation)
If you are single, have no family, no kids, not a milk ticket of the family, no mortgages, no debt in the bank, no student loan to pay, have savings in your bank account, then you should be OK.
But if you are not, then you really have to think twice or thrice before you sign on the dots.

Good luck
Thanks for the clarity. In this case, the options are very limited if you are at least married and have some responsibilities such as what you've mentioned on your earlier reply.
I assume that the vast majority in HK wont be able to survive the program financially unless they have enough savings and a "free" place to live.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 22:52
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Originally Posted by CXKR2022
Is the cadet program opened for foreign nationalities? I read more than 10 pages recent posts here and it seems like many of AUS and also other foreigners are undergoing this program currently.
Open to foreigners with a HKPR identity or right to work/live in HK. Most of these foreign applicants probably have HK background.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 13:25
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Local pilots 'stuck on the tarmac'

Cathay Pacific-trained pilots are frustrated about their career paths and pay, with some claims that turbulence is being caused by fast promotions for newly hired foreign pilots…

One complaint is that second officers on the Airbus fleet could be upgraded to first officers within months, while those on Boeing 777 aircraft must wait for more than seven years to be upgraded.

Some first officers with experience outside Cathay were upgraded before pilots who have served the airline for more than 10 years, it is also claimed
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...-on-the-tarmac'

Reality hit. Ouch!!

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