Sky high? you don't try to get insurance after the event has happened. Insurance for volcanic interruption would have been very cheap if it had been obtained at the beginning of the year.

Once again, this all makes little sense. Why are we closing airspace, yesterday there was no ash in Ireland. But PIREP of ash of Leicester ?

Something very strange is going on, Eurocontrol is stepping up the One European Skies timetable and using the AshcLoud as a lever.

The thing I don't understand is why the ash clousures aren't affected night operations? I have no problem during the day avoiding the stuff visually.

Latest from the Volcano, I wouldn't recommend getting downwind of this!

But over 1000kms South :ugh:

http://extras.vodafone.is/trailers/f...5/04/10/49.jpg

Meanwhile, some scum are trying to cash in with this scam..

BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Ash compensation e-mail 'is fake'

From yesterday's coast guard flight : ash volumes increasing but heavier density than original activity.
Earthquake activity suggesting more to come.

http://www.vedur.is/media/jar/myndsa...12f4138fee.jpg

yup - that's what I said!!
...

BOAC

As long as it is medium or longterm damage and not "instant" damage that is of little concern to us other than through increased airfares to cover the extra maintenance and rectification work.

That problem becomes a business cost problem and not a safety issue.
What I would like to ask the sooth sayers here is what their solution is?

Barring a detailed research programme into the damage effects of low level ash which will still need field testing what are the alternatives?

Do you close down masses of airspace which may contain tiny amounts of ash until they are totally clear?

Or do you take a slightly less cautious approach?

We already identified that as yet NO aircraft has been downed with loss of life because of ash. That even includes heavy ash encounters.

That cannot be said of Bird strikes yet we accept those risks as we do other risks which do have a fatality record.

Let us just hope that in this latest eruption the ash is not directed and held over the UK for days like last time.

Pace

FAA Statement on Volcanic Ash. Before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science and Technology, Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics on Mitigating the Impact of Volcanic Ash Clouds on Aviation – What Do We Need To Know?

Testimony

usual american stuff but nothing about piston engines
 

Is there any evidence of non visible ash damaging piston engines?

Forget

This is the bit which becomes very vague

Pace

Greinar < Fróðleikur < Jarðhræringar < Veðurstofa Íslands

Cracking photos of what cracking off up there in Iceland, status reports indicate that activity is increasing compared with last week, need some low pressure to move the ash clouds.

And to the Air Lingus crew flying into Dublin this morning:
Please tell us all what ash smells like :confused: , since your radio transmissions reporting to all that you can smell ash while descending through 16000ft -perhaps your galley stoves are cooking overtime, or engines ... :ok:

Turbo twin just landed at Dundee 30 mins or so ago..

At this QTH (Wirral) at sea level it smelt faintly like a blast furnace or perhaps a foundry on the two due dates here.

Hard to articulate it any more clearly than that; it's distinctive and memorable and BBQ it ain't.

CW

Airforce1
 

Suggest you pay a visit to Yellowstone, particularly downwind of a paint pot (bubbling colored puddle of volcanic mud) and you'll know what it smells like.

Pace:

1. While the cost may be of little concern to you, I can assure you that a mistake on the part of the engine manufacturers, airframe builders, airlines, met office and regulators is likely to be extremely costly. It's not even about the cost of the components to be replaced, It's about the logistics of suddenly requiring the inspection, repair or replacement of perhaps hundreds of engines per day.

There are about 1000 transatlantic flights to and from Europe per day. Say 10% get a mouthful of ash. Guessing the mix of Two, and Four engine aircraft, lets say that we have 300+ affected engines. There is simply not enough labour, spare engines or spare parts, or component repair capacity to handle this workload - and this is only in one day!

2. The only "alternative" I'm aware of is not to fly the aircraft in Ash.


To put it another way, in terms you might understand better, let us say that by some ungodly mistake, extremely sharp nails were scattered over the length and breadth of British roads, such that one in Ten cars found themselves with a puncture each day.

The queues at garages on day one would be a mile long. By day Two all garages are out of new tyres and repair materials and their staff are exhausted. At the end of day Three, there is not a spare tyre or tube to be found in Britain and the motorways and roads are littered with disabled cars.

Do you get the picture now?

Supposed to flying ex MAN - DUB - MCO tomorrow ....but
 

I need help ! Can I get this right in my head that where the VAC charts show red this is the DANGER area and a/c will not be flying there ??? So - looking like DUB is gonna be out for some time tomorrow .............. sort me out !!:rolleyes:

Katla itself just had a tremor, with 4 new ones at Eyjafjallajökull.

Am not a volcanoligist so have no clue if this has any meaning.

Edit: if Katla goes, at least we can spell and pronounce it the other one just sounds like egg falafel

so......can you ?
 

I need help ! Can I get this right in my head that where the VAC charts show red this is the DANGER area and a/c will not be flying there ??? So - looking like DUB is gonna be out for some time tomorrow .............. sort me out !!:rolleyes: