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Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike
Skynews is reporting that UK based RYR pilots have voted for strike action and have announced dates -: 22-23 August and 2/9-4/9 inclusive. Sorry can’t post a link at the moment. Be lucky David Thanks to Senor Richard for the tip |
Can't want their jobs that much then. I imagine MOL will use Brexit as an excuse to sack them all as it appears he needs to shed staff!
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Idiocy Doctor Cruces. Antediluvian attitude.
People don't go on strike because they don't want their job. I was part of one recently, and we desperately wanted our jobs, and in accordance with agreements previously made and not honoured by management. |
Well done UK ryr pilots! the industry has been waiting for this for 20years! lets stop this race to the bottom, I hope regardless of the wings on your uniform everyone backs them. Let them know next time you see them at security, because ryanair economics will come after your airline unless we stop it. |
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Originally Posted by UAV689
(Post 10539374)
lets stop this race to the bottom, I hope regardless of the wings on your uniform everyone backs them. Let them know next time you see them at security, because ryanair economics will come after your airline unless we stop it. |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10539420)
Well yes, this makes it quite clear that the BALPA agenda is to protect the Terms and Conditions of pilots at BA, EZY, TCX and TUI.
Balpa just do what the council of that airline staff instruct it to do. And even if that is the case, and everyone gets a better future, is that not a good thing? |
While I do support the UK Ryanair pilots I have to question the timing. Isn’t it a bit too late. 2 years ago there was much more momentum. Brexit far away, no 737MAX delivery issue, economy booming as hell.
Still: You have my support and I do hope you get what you want. What happens in RYR is important for the entire European aviation industry. Good luck! |
And even if that is the case, and everyone gets a better future, is that not a good thing? So with just one year of Union recognition, RYR pilots are downing tools, how long did pilots at BA, EZY, TCX or TUI take? How many strikes at those companies have been mandated? What advice do you think the BRCC have been given by big BALPA who at the same time represent the other airlines who of course will give the sacked pilots first refusal and direct entry commands when RYR "downsize". All seems a bit Gung Ho to me. |
What a fantastic time to be working in the aviation industry .The company I worked for at Manchester airport , Premiere Handling, went bump owing me six weeks wages and now the day I am due to fly back off my holidays in France Ryanair go and do this. I can guarantee this is the very last time I purchase a flight from this shower and it's not due to the staff but the appalling management as they are laughingly called. It was another small Irishman that finished my 20 year career at British Airways 12 years ago.
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Ryanair had to many bases to orderly organize them all efficiently. And now when the split crew and rule tactic no longer works it was time for a large cull.
Wasn't the message a month ago also that any crew that wanted local contracts had to go to the new Malta based subsidiary because the Irish government has refused even consultation on the matter of the policy that all Irish flagged aircraft have to have crew on Irish contracts that pay their taxes to Ireland. And hence that a lot of Ryanair aircraft and crew would be moved to the Malta airline. This could be a reorganisation preparation for this. Handily coupled with an opportunity to inject a bit of fear into the negotiations. |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10539441)
Apart of course from the pilots who get their p45s.
So with just one year of Union recognition, RYR pilots are downing tools, how long did pilots at BA, EZY, TCX or TUI take? How many strikes at those companies have been mandated? What advice do you think the BRCC have been given by big BALPA who at the same time represent the other airlines who of course will give the sacked pilots first refusal and direct entry commands when RYR "downsize". All seems a bit Gung Ho to me. This is a company that pays its direct entry staff more than existing long term staff, refuses to put in place a cla which means they can do whatever they want to you whenever they need. Ryr pilots get paid less than they did 18yrs ago. Its a fact. Yet the company makes far more money. it puts other airlines out of buisness, why? Because its costs are so low. The cost of fuel is fixed, the other cost is staff. |
well done RYR pilots and show you have some spine against that bullie MOL :ok:
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The cost of fuel is fixed, Airlines pay pay a variable rate for fuel subject to both fuel and currency hedging, but to get back on subject... Manpower in any large company is sourced as cheaply as the market will allow, I think RYR see this as good business practice. Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, but strike action won’t make this happen and I worry that downsizing or closing bases won’t only affect pilots, but Cabin Crew, Engineers and Handling staff will lose their jobs too. proceed with caution... |
It was another small Irishman that finished my 20 year career at British Airways 12 years ago. |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10539807)
Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, That's quite an assumption. I don't have a dog in this particular fight but IMHO but having seen events elsewhere I'd say that a long term union policy of putting peace and harmony with the company above all other employee concerns can have sub-optimal consequences for the entire work force.. |
Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
(Post 10539870)
Gung-ho? Well with just 38% of the UK pilot force willing or able to strike, and spectacularly badly timed, it might be? Good luck though (and to those who get made redundant and relocated).
Yet again, its ryanair mathematics. |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10539807)
er, no it’s not. Airlines pay pay a variable rate for fuel subject to both fuel and currency hedging, but to get back on subject... Manpower in any large company is sourced as cheaply as the market will allow, I think RYR see this as good business practice. Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, but strike action won’t make this happen and I worry that downsizing or closing bases won’t only affect pilots, but Cabin Crew, Engineers and Handling staff will lose their jobs too. proceed with caution... fine. So lets all take continual worsening terms then, because it will allow the company to make more money. I presume you will be first in the queue to take a pay cut at your current employer? You will be doing a market a favour then by allowing everyones terms to lower and make everyone more profitable. |
Speak to the Guardian?
Hi,
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable. Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA. Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at guardian.co.uk. Many thanks, Rob |
Originally Posted by GuardianMan
(Post 10539930)
Hi,
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable. Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA. Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at gmail dot com. Many thanks, Rob |
Last Friday. HR canceled all the OCC. Some people starting on Monday. People with signed contracts leaving jobs in other companies. Now without Job. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....78998df52.jpeg Incredible all the people with signed contract and without work. |
Speak to the Guardian?
*This is a repost because I idiotically included the wrong email address earlier*
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable. Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA. Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at guardian dot co dot uk Many thanks, Rob |
Originally Posted by GuardianMan
(Post 10539930)
Hi,
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable. Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA. Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at gmail dot com. Many thanks, Rob |
It's almost a year since my Sept flight was cancelled by RYR, costing me a pretty penny to get home from Germany; now it's happening again. Is it just coincidence that the planned strikes are to take place during holiday season?
Either way, Ryanair seem determined to go down in history for p'ing off the most amount of people/passengers/pilots/cabin crew ever. Rory |
Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737
(Post 10540023)
Rob Davies - the man who writes c... all the time and has a gmail address :ugh:
Regarding the Gmail address, that was clearly an error, which I have corrected. The email suffix for me is @guardian.co.uk Best wishes |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10539812)
His idiot second cousin, also a man short of stature is doing a ripper job in the antipodes destroying another airline.
Stature in this case is not relevant. |
Originally Posted by RoyHudd
(Post 10539327)
Idiocy Doctor Cruces. Antediluvian attitude.
People don't go on strike because they don't want their job. I was part of one recently, and we desperately wanted our jobs, and in accordance with agreements previously made and not honoured by management. |
Perfect Time for a Strike!
So Doctor , when would be a perfect time for a Strike , in Your experience?
I would say now is as good time as any, or xMass or Easter , and guess what , it will happen then as well. Unless Management comes to its senses and realize it need Commanders and not just hoards of cadets. I would like to remind You that the Ryanair pilots are protected by law and are the last to be let go in case of redundancy. Only 30 to max 40 % of the pilots are Ryanair Employed the rest are Contractors the majority on 0-hr contracts. So, no fear of reprisals. Regards Cpt B |
Originally Posted by kessler1
(Post 10540072)
It's almost a year since my Sept flight was cancelled by RYR, costing me a pretty penny to get home from Germany; now it's happening again. Is it just coincidence that the planned strikes are to take place during holiday season?
Either way, Ryanair seem determined to go down in history for p'ing off the most amount of people/passengers/pilots/cabin crew ever. Rory |
Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces
(Post 10540153)
I KNOW that, perhaps I should have been more direct for those who can't work it out for themselves. Maybe I should have said, with MOL looking to shed staff, perhaps this isn't the best time to go on strike!
there are 200 jets on order. Who will drive those. They are additions to fleet. In the company annual report last week they still state they will get to moving 200m a year, up from around 140m. this is a company in a huge expansion that is making nearly 1b a year profit (that is after losing 200m on lauda and spending 700m on buying its own shares!!) this week a flight school opened up a trainee scheme with ryr. it was always the plan to front load recruitment in advance of the max arriving, it had been said in previous announcements to the city and by PB himself. Its incredible people cannot see the bigger picture and just believe the mouth piece...! |
Sad really. who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families. Blame to employer, no blame to striker I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned. travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress. As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care |
Sad really. who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families. and I do wonder if you're sarcastic or not. I really do... Just how many summer holidays do you think Ryanair pilots will get with their kids durin the course of a career? Edited to add; The above may seem very unsympthetic and I don't wish you or your family any misfortune. Pure coincidence that your travels are planned for those days. But I do think you should reflect upon the cause of the strike before you cry wolf. |
Originally Posted by Gove N.T.
(Post 10540253)
Sad really. who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families. Blame to employer, no blame to striker I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned. travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress. As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care No strike is called to upset the public. People dont want to strike, its normally the last resort to a complete breakdown in relations. If you take the mentality of it will “inconvenience” someone and the right to withdraw labour is removed, then what is there to stop the slippery slope of wages and terms getting cut? Ryanair recently contractorised an entire country overnight in Poland last year with the creation of Ryanair sun. precisely because there is very limited workers rights there, so they could get away with it, and they did. An entire country of its staff had its holiday rights, sick pay, pension, social security payments all removed and placed on a zero hour contract, because there was nothing the staff could do about it. Remember years ago, the change in the fashion industry where by it become frowned upon to purchase something from a sweatshop, its incredible that same mentality has not translated to air fares. |
Originally Posted by Gove N.T.
(Post 10540253)
Sad really. who are the real,losers in this game of who has a bigger whatzit? Well, it’s people who can only go on holiday during school holidays with their families. Blame to employer, no blame to striker I have a young family in the UK whose holiday is during the period mentioned. travelling with 4 and 2 year old is stressful enough and now the stress of not knowing whether you will fly or not adds further stress. As usual, it’s the user at suffers and the providers just don’t care A strike is a last resort, MOL and his cronies could have been just a little more thoughtful and the situation would never have been so bad. |
Remember years ago, the change in the fashion industry where by it become frowned upon to purchase something from a sweatshop, its incredible that same mentality has not translated to air fares. Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers? reality check perhaps? |
Worker rights are not related to remuneration. |
Originally Posted by bulldog89
(Post 10540417)
Worker rights are not related to remuneration. |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10540400)
Until of course you compare pilot remuneration with that of the nurses, firefighters, policemen, teachers and local authority workers who will all have to pay the price of pilot "sweatshop" wages when their holiday plans are stuffed by industrial action - or should that be inaction? What do they tell their kids when they are sitting in the queues at STN, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of solidarity.
Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers? reality check perhaps? |
Originally Posted by Alycidon
(Post 10540400)
Until of course you compare pilot remuneration with that of the nurses, firefighters, policemen, teachers and local authority workers who will all have to pay the price of pilot "sweatshop" wages when their holiday plans are stuffed by industrial action - or should that be inaction? What do they tell their kids when they are sitting in the queues at STN, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of solidarity.
Are you seriously comparing pilot pay in the UK with the wages of a seamstress from Dhaka who works with no time limits on her shift patterns and little health and safety protection from Hazchem such as bleaching agents, azo dyes, pottasium permanganate, hearing loss from weaving machinery and sandblasting, or lax age limits for child workers? reality check perhaps? i course i am not comparing a pilots wages to the above trades, but then again does the above trade pay over 100k for their training for a zero hour contract? I would love for those guys to get more money, we all know they deserve it! I always back the workers side, because ultimately we always work for someone, and invariably that someone wants to lower costs no matter who they are... My comparison to the awful fashion industry one does have some merit however. Look at the ryr crew page on fb and you will see cabin crew living 3 to a bedroom in bishops stortford. Yes it is not a factory in dhaka, but it is not the standard you would expect of a 1b profit machine in western europe...but if it gives people a £10 ticket then its ok I suppose.... Its amazing the difference in attitude to a ryr strike vs a ba one! |
Originally Posted by UAV689
(Post 10540542)
Its amazing the difference in attitude to a ryr strike vs a ba one! |
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