Strike had no effect
 

All flights operated as scheduled Thursday. Too many scabs, I guess.

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Airline wishes to operate a service, staff free to withdraw labour, company free to do whatever it wishes to maintain services.

No, I'm saying that FR pilots have plenty of reasons to strike. Even more taking into account what they're asking for and the profits their company makes.

So if profits decline then you are happy for Pilots to have a pay cut ?

The pendulum swings both ways
 

Happy? No, but have done so twice in a 31 year career.

No airport at Stanstead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanstead,_Suffolk

If they work for same company then can be a get out or use W patterns on flights to overcome it.

BALPA screwed up and did what Ryanair said all along they would do prior to recognising them.

What kind of logic is this? The following of ever increasing profits?
If PROFITS decrease you're still making profits, so no way I'm happy with it. Remember that FR is crying out like they're losing money when they'll just make a 1 billion PROFIT instead of a 1.2 one...

And from my point of view threatening to fire people while making 1 billion every year should make them legally exposed, but I suspect this is not the case under Irish law.
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If the profits decline, there still is a profit. And ylthe employees should profit with it, just less than with higher profits.

With a potential loss, in our company (not Ryanair) we die indeed got paid less (per hour, just worked more for the same pay).

So yes, of the belt needs tightening, we all tighten it. If it can get loose again, we all should be able to do so.

Looking at it from a business perspective Balpa approached this dispute in their usual, rule book fashion, which of course O Leary doesnt have. He does however have Balpa`s number and pushed the buttons he knew would work. Ryanair have never been a `redundancies` company instead being cash rich and expanding. So 3 weeks before the `Grand Plan` he issued his armageddon video. He is noted for having the ability to carry such threats out. That I would suggest changed the course of this dispute. The Union were powerless. The pilots weren`t scabs, they were people with hopes, fears, dreams, aspirations and families. They simply took the view that what they had was a lot better than what they might lose..

I`m not making any comment on the rights or wrongs of this dispute but merely how the dynamics lined up. Many, of course, hate O`Leary but it is foolish to try to ignore him, as Balpa found out.

Employees are paid a wage, that is all company is legally required to do. Nothing stops employees investing in the company and buying shares if they wish.

In some enlightened companies employees are allowed both a share of the capital by way of shares and/or a share of the profits.

Pilots from other European bases were sent to the UK as strike breakers to break the strike. They should've known better. They could've called a strike or just suddenly become ill to avoid doing their UK colleagues flights. All you need is some guts to back up your colleagues on strike. Whatever the benefits UK pilots could achieve is going to benefit them, too. Shame on them.
UK pilots needed their help. With this kind of behavior things are never going to get better at RYR. Everybody has to stick together.

Ultimately for company alone to decide to run an ESOP but because it is all across Europe with employees in many countrys then each country has different rules for ESOPs which means lots of cost involved.

Right......

Remind me what was BALPA's attitude to seniority for Pilots when BCAL / Dan Air / BMI etc were acquired by BA. Did they wholly consent that the acquired business's pilots automatically got seniority based on their previous experience or was it, Sod off I was here first.

So what has BALPA claimed they want ?

So a business should automatically just pay what a Union demands, yup that worked well before.

To the general public Ryanair are known for treating their customers badly but supposedly offer cheap fares. The general public, as opposed to those in the industry, have zilch knowledge of how Ryanair treats its staff but can see that their journeys are being disrupted by said staff. If BALPA and Ryanair staff want the general public to know how pilots are treated and what their negotiating demands are then it's up to them to not only make the media aware but push the media to make the public aware as well.

Strange that BALPA have refused to disclose anything, after all IF reasonable they would find the travelling public supporting them.

Like in BA, BA have stated that Pilots not happy going from £167k to £200k and demanding more.

Level of sympathy for Pilots from travelling public..... ZERO

Racedo!
 

You need to take it easy boy!

RYR pilots are just trying to adjust a somewhat skewed industry,and now after all these years having the right and the legal tools to fight a fair battle for steady and good conditions in THE most profitable Airline in Europe.
Would it be so bad if RYR pilots finally got rewarded for the hard work they do and in the process stopped the downward spiral in the industry.
Now Racedo would that be so bad!

Regards
Cpt B

Remind me again Racedo , Pilot or Slf?

What have the Royal Yachting Association done to upset you? What lies have they told worthy of complaint in this forum?

Michael O'Leary and RYR on the other hand....

The general public know no such thing. This is a myth created and promulgated by the gutter press simply because such headlines draw millions to their websites.

The vast majority of Ryanair passengers just keep on flying with them and thoroughly enjoy the cheaper fares which are not "supposed" but very real. They're not interested in reclining seats nor airbridges nor another myth known as "free food" onboard. Just get me to my destination on time and as cheaply as possible. Something that Ryanair does extremely well. That's why they have load factors in the nineties per cent. Those passengers have and always will have nothing but contempt for the "ALPA's" of this world who, like it or not, come across as the epitome of greed and selfishness. I see BALPA is now at war with BA as well which just reinforces that opinion.