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foxmoth 25th Aug 2019 12:47
So a business should automatically just pay what a Union demands
of course not and that is certainly not what I said, but the papers should be talking to both sides and getting their facts right, Ryanair are know for treating their staff badly and if you do that it is only a matter of time before people stand their ground and refuse to accept being treated in that way. When it comes down to a pay negotiation then people are going to look at parity with others doing the same job and at least be looking at some catch up if they are behind their peers, I very much doubt that they are after more than doubling the industry norm!

SamYeager 25th Aug 2019 17:08
Originally Posted by foxmoth (Post 10553791)
the papers should be talking to both sides and getting their facts right, Ryanair are know for treating their staff badly
To the general public Ryanair are known for treating their customers badly but supposedly offer cheap fares. The general public, as opposed to those in the industry, have zilch knowledge of how Ryanair treats its staff but can see that their journeys are being disrupted by said staff. If BALPA and Ryanair staff want the general public to know how pilots are treated and what their negotiating demands are then it's up to them to not only make the media aware but push the media to make the public aware as well.

racedo 25th Aug 2019 17:30
Originally Posted by foxmoth (Post 10553791)


of course not and that is certainly not what I said, but the papers should be talking to both sides and getting their facts right, Ryanair are know for treating their staff badly and if you do that it is only a matter of time before people stand their ground and refuse to accept being treated in that way.

You have evidence ?
In an industry with huge numbers of jobs then why are people happy to stay ?

When it comes down to a pay negotiation then people are going to look at parity with others doing the same job and at least be looking at some catch up if they are behind their peers, I very much doubt that they are after more than doubling the industry norm!
Strange that BALPA have refused to disclose anything, after all IF reasonable they would find the travelling public supporting them.

Like in BA, BA have stated that Pilots not happy going from £167k to £200k and demanding more.

Level of sympathy for Pilots from travelling public..... ZERO

BluSdUp 25th Aug 2019 18:03
Racedo!
 
You need to take it easy boy!

RYR pilots are just trying to adjust a somewhat skewed industry,and now after all these years having the right and the legal tools to fight a fair battle for steady and good conditions in THE most profitable Airline in Europe.
Would it be so bad if RYR pilots finally got rewarded for the hard work they do and in the process stopped the downward spiral in the industry.
Now Racedo would that be so bad!

Regards
Cpt B

BluSdUp 25th Aug 2019 18:09
Remind me again Racedo , Pilot or Slf?

pilotmike 25th Aug 2019 18:14
Originally Posted by foxmoth (Post 10553440)
ONe thing I do find annoying are the lies that RYA seem to get away with
What have the Royal Yachting Association done to upset you? What lies have they told worthy of complaint in this forum?

Michael O'Leary and RYR on the other hand....

Atlantic Explorer 25th Aug 2019 18:43
Originally Posted by BluSdUp (Post 10553986)
Remind me again Racedo , Pilot or Slf?
MOL by the sounds of it!!

ayroplain 25th Aug 2019 18:58
Originally Posted by SamYeager (Post 10553955)
To the general public Ryanair are known for treating their customers badly but supposedly offer cheap fares.
The general public know no such thing. This is a myth created and promulgated by the gutter press simply because such headlines draw millions to their websites.

The vast majority of Ryanair passengers just keep on flying with them and thoroughly enjoy the cheaper fares which are not "supposed" but very real. They're not interested in reclining seats nor airbridges nor another myth known as "free food" onboard. Just get me to my destination on time and as cheaply as possible. Something that Ryanair does extremely well. That's why they have load factors in the nineties per cent. Those passengers have and always will have nothing but contempt for the "ALPA's" of this world who, like it or not, come across as the epitome of greed and selfishness. I see BALPA is now at war with BA as well which just reinforces that opinion.

foxmoth 25th Aug 2019 20:01
What have the Royal Yachting Association done to upset you? What lies have they told worthy of complaint in this forum?

Michael O'Leary and RYR on the other ha
yes my apologies to the Royal Yachting Association!


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