|
Originally Posted by ironbutt57
(Post 10444708)
my source dried up, refuses to talk about it...NOT an airplane issue is all thats being said
Can the public handle the truth? :sad: |
Originally Posted by Intruder
(Post 10444614)
I'd be willing to bet Atlas has some lobbyist trying to delay the preliminary report as long as possible.
|
If the rumors of the first officer are proven false can these people have their accounts deleted?
|
Originally Posted by 413X3
(Post 10444772)
If the rumors of the first officer are proven false can these people have their accounts deleted?
|
Originally Posted by TowerDog
(Post 10444710)
Sounds like an HR issue. Can the public handle the truth? :sad: Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears. |
Originally Posted by Organfreak
(Post 10445225)
Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears. |
Originally Posted by MATELO
(Post 10445229)
Nothing to do with race. Its a quote from a film - A few good men.
|
Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 10444633)
Doubtful it's a lobbyist. More likely it concerns personal items related to the crew which are covered by Federal law (like CVR recordings) and require certain approvals prior to release.
|
Originally Posted by Organfreak
(Post 10445225)
Pardon me if I am being dense, please! I do not understand. Is this subtext/innuendo about the race of the FO? If so, can somebody plz come out and say it?
Please tell me what it is that we public might not be able to handle! I'm all ears. |
Originally Posted by Intruder
(Post 10445402)
I doubt that. They could leave out ANYTHING in the preliminary report, and just publish what is allowed.
|
Final word is coming out
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
|
Originally Posted by CorpJetJock
(Post 10446209)
In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max.
Oops, sorry, wrong thread! |
Originally Posted by Organfreak
(Post 10446218)
Wait a second-- Didn't I read that the throttles stayed at 94% throughout the event? Doesn't add up.
Oops, sorry, wrong thread! |
Originally Posted by CorpJetJock
(Post 10446209)
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
|
Flaps down, 30 miles out?
|
Originally Posted by TheEdge
(Post 10446226)
yep wrong Boeing bro...
|
Originally Posted by CorpJetJock
(Post 10446209)
Heard this morning from a close source to the investigation, that an uncoordinated reaction to a mistake is going to be the final determination. I have been told that the copilot who was flying, asked the captain to select flaps down. In reaching around/over the pedestal to do so, the captain inadvertently hit G/A sending the auto throttles to max. The aircraft momentarily pitched up and the copilot pushed his yoke full nose down in reaction sending the aircraft into a dive as the engines continued to spool up. The captain grabbed his yoke and without calling that he was taking control yanked back on his yoke in opposition to the copilots force. Apparently enough opposing force caused the shear pin to shear, and the captain lost his input. Electric trim was attempted by the captain and some amount of throttle reduction was enacted, but it was too late the aircraft was far outside it's control envelope at way too low of an altitude to recover. It will be VERY interesting to hear more documented details, not sure when it will be out. So sad, crew coordination and basic flying skills still overshadow technology and knowledge of it.
|
Same here, 9K hours 757/767.
|
I agree, 12k in corporate another 12 in 737...i can't imagine that overreaction.. If they hit toga, no big deal, just pull the throttles back, pitch up, well lev it..... Unless this fo was a real whacko, but a loud I got it.. Should have fixed it
|
Originally Posted by Organfreak
(Post 10446232)
I tried to delete it but was unsuccessful.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f58845d2ce.jpg |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 22:10. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.