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Nasty development
(assuming videos are genuine)
Since both pilots (seem to have) ejected safely and one ends up dead, in a gloating video showing a crowd cheering around him, one could deduce that the unfortunate pilot was mobbed and did not die in his plane or due to him ejecting. If true, this would further escalate the incident... Nasty video Nasty video 2 |
Turkish statement along the lines
" we didn't shoot down any particular nation's aircraft, we just protected our airspace." Turkey has called for emergency Nato meeting %pm to explain what happened Putin has called for emergency UN security council meeting and cancelled RF foreign minister meeting with Turkey tomorrow |
This is apparently a plot of the Russian aircraft (in red) just cutting the very tip of Turkish airspace (to the north) as it was shot down. If this is a true image of what happened, then Turkey looks as if it is being highly unreasonable and irresponsible, as I said previously.
If this was Turkey shooting at a Syrian aircraft I would say it was deliberate provocation. But prodding the Russian bear for no good reason is bordering on the insane. I see that popcorn futures are rising again.... . (The map is of NW Syria, on the coast, right on the border of the Antakya 'peninsular' that reaches down into Syria.) http://s30.postimg.org/7100m3p2p/turkey.jpg |
"Rebels" or "moderate terrorists" celebrates that they managed to kill both pilots while they tried to land on chutes. They also (unconfirmed) downed resque helicopters. ISIS will mark this day in red in their calendars.
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This is apparently a plot of the Russian aircraft (in red) just cutting the very tip of Turkish airspace There seems no "appendices" here... UPD: Found it. It's less than 3 km in the widest part... https://www.google.ru/maps/@35.82215...!3m1!1e3?hl=en |
But the death of the crew doesn't necessarily escalate the situation, provided Russia holds to the SAM story. Putin just named this "Stabbing in the back" from someone who claims that he is against terrorist in this fight. |
The whole thing beautifully makes the Russians point for them.
There are no such thing as good guys or "moderate" rebels in Syria. They are all bad guys, not just ISIS and Assad. |
There are no such thing as good guys or "moderate" rebels in Syria. |
Originally Posted by Tourist
(Post 9190303)
There are no such thing as good guys or "moderate" rebels in Syria.
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Is my calculation right, but taking gmap measurement and Turkish radar map, both occurrences of "boundary violations" takes about 20 sec? Which also raises the question if plane was shot down in Turkish airspace?
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas
Is my calculation right, but taking gmap measurement and Turkish radar map, both occurrences of "boundary violations" takes about 0,6 sec? Which also raises the question if plane was shot down in Turkish airspace?
At this point, no one is claiming that it was in Turkish air space. Only that it violated Turkish airspace and was then shot down over Syria. |
DaveReidUK
.. provided Russia holds to the SAM story Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey. |
Also claims they downed a russian rescue copter
Russian Search Helicopter Downed Near Syrian Border By US-Made Anti-Tank Missile, Rebels Claim | Zero Hedge |
Turks just removed themselves from further participation in airstrikes |
Eh. Russia can destroy Turkey without any military involvement. The obvious option is to drop one hundred manpads for Kurds to "fight ISIS reconnaissance drones". Then, take popcorn and watch Turkish planes and helicopters go down in flames on daily basis.
Then, tourist industry will collapse because no one will want to fly there because of the risks, etsetra etsetra. They are literally on Putin mercy. |
Originally Posted by Kulverstukas
Do they participate earlier except that provide airbase for coalition?
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They are literally on Putin mercy. But nice try, seems putins cyber trolls are hard at work already. |
Sure, such a scenario is possible. Also there is a possibility that Erdogan will give all the caucasian fighters a safe route back home. Think about the scenarios in Russia. Also the Kurds rely heavy on western support. Don't think that they will jeopardize this. Also, don't hit my fake drama THAT hard. We all know that Kurds are well organized, there are many of well trained Kurdish combatants, they are highly motivated fighters and they hate Turkey. From any point of view, Kurds can use additional military equipment with much greater efficiency than ANY militarized organization opposing Russia at the moment. So, we can safely classified this option as "on the mercy". The amount of possible military and economical damage to the Turkey is immense. |
REDRAWN BOUNDARIES?
It may be that the solution to the Middle East is a re-drawing of boundaries to reflect the indigenous population, not the views of past colonial diplomats.
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It may be that the solution to the Middle East is a re-drawing of boundaries to reflect the indigenous population, not the views of past colonial diplomats. |
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