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keesje 24th Dec 2015 11:34

There's "repairs" and there's "rebuilds".
 
Apparently for GE it is more economic / convenient to pick up the tab & get it over ASAP, then to explain the NTSB, FAA, public, Boeing, BA, customer base what exactly happened and why for the next 10 years.

This will be the most expensive "repair" to a Boeing 777 ever. Similar to the exploded engine QF A380 repair. That one was less damaged & new.

This paper is also on an NTSB desk. It is better to discuss an aircraft already back in flight, than one on public display in Las Vegas. Common sense.

Failed Engine Type On BA 777 Was Subject To 2011 AD | Aero-News Network

DaveReidUK 24th Dec 2015 14:11


Originally Posted by keesje (Post 9219810)
Apparently for GE it is more economic / convenient to pick up the tab & get it over ASAP, then to explain the NTSB, FAA, public, Boeing, BA, customer base what exactly happened and why

I don't see any reason to suggest that GE are planning to suppress information on what happened inside their engine, or that they won't cooperate fully with the NTSB's investigation.

zonoma 24th Dec 2015 14:33

Aircraft to be fixed not long after a hefty lawsuit is launched? I'm sure the lawyers would find it easier to get a substantial payout after an accident that writes off an aircraft, where as by fixing it the defense can play the situation down and say that the aircraft wasn't critically damaged as it is now flying again. It will not be the only reason, I'm sure there are lots, but it would add weight to the economics of fixing it even if it doesn't make direct financial sense.

SeenItAll 24th Dec 2015 16:15


Apparently for GE it is more economic / convenient to pick up the tab & get it over ASAP, then to explain the NTSB, FAA, public, Boeing, BA, customer base what exactly happened and why for the next 10 years.

This will be the most expensive "repair" to a Boeing 777 ever. Similar to the exploded engine QF A380 repair. That one was less damaged & new.

This paper is also on an NTSB desk. It is better to discuss an aircraft already back in flight, than one on public display in Las Vegas. Common sense.
Keesje: since you obviously know so much about not only the cost of airplane repairs but also the inside scoop on what major corporations are doing to deceive their sophisticated customers and regulators about the true (according to you) defective nature of their products, I suggest you hire yourself out as a consultant. If, as you suggest, these companies are willing to pay tens of millions of dollars for repairs in excess of the cost of replacement just to cover over these issues, your inside information about this will be worth millions. Good Luck.

SpringHeeledJack 24th Dec 2015 16:16

Back in september, someone mentioned to me that it would be repaired because of a shortage of airframes. As said, it's probably a mixture of reasons many mentioned previously.

Spooky 2 24th Dec 2015 17:50

The fact is no one on this website has a clue what the costs are to repair this aircraft, much less the lost revenue incurred or the diminished value of the aircraft is. Most just talking heads so far...

wanabee777 24th Dec 2015 18:10

The Dynamic Airways' 767 at FLL appears to still be awaiting repairs.

Spooky 2 24th Dec 2015 18:24

"The Dynamic Airways' 767 at FLL appears to still be awaiting repairs."

What does that have to do with this accident?

wanabee777 24th Dec 2015 20:23

There are some similarities.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...auderdale.html

keesje 24th Dec 2015 20:54

Well, looking at the Qantas A380, how much would you estimate the damage?

Then find the actual price tag & look at the BA 777.

Simply saying it asin't so is a little too easy if one fails to bring up any substantiation

:)

G-CPTN 24th Dec 2015 21:27

Qantas A380 Flight 32 compensation and repairs costs.

Spooky 2 24th Dec 2015 23:30

The 767 fire and the 777 fire have little if anything in common other than being a fuel fed fire. Glad you're not on the investigating committee.

wanabee777 24th Dec 2015 23:59

....So am I!

Una Due Tfc 25th Dec 2015 08:13

A standard D or heavy C check on a tripler costs 12-15 million dollars so this will be an awful lot more expensive than that.

atakacs 28th Dec 2015 07:40

10 year 777-200 for $7.7m
 
Seems that the going rate for the 777 is pretty low these days:

Delta to buy used Boeing 777 for $7.7 million | Airframes content from ATWOnline

Is this some oddball transaction or relevant to current market ?

atakacs 28th Dec 2015 07:45

I have no idea what the repair will cost but I can vouch for the 12-15mn figure for a D / heavy C check.

You might also find this tidbit interesting.

I muss say that as other posters I don't see the economic case for a repair of this airframe.

Nemrytter 28th Dec 2015 08:23

Maybe it's the one that BA burned in Vegas:E

SeenItAll 28th Dec 2015 09:59

Delta has been very coy about this transaction. As pointed out in other threads, the value of a frame to Delta will depend on whether it is configured (e.g., engines) the same way as its others, time to next C/D check.

Indeed, for all we know, Delta could have bought this frame to be a parts donor.

dastocks 28th Dec 2015 10:02

I think Delta's 777 fleet are all with Trent engines so one would assume they would buy a used airframe with Trent engines.

Are there any used GE engined airframes available at a similar price? BA might be happy to acquire a replacement airframe with Trent engines but I don't imagine GE would be ready to hand over their business to a competitor.

Super VC-10 28th Dec 2015 12:31

Different engines
 
Question


What are the obstacles to buying an aircraft with one manufacturers engines and replacing said engines with another manufacturers engines?

Could this be a possibility? :hmm:


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