BA 777 on fire in Las Vegas
CNN reporting that a British Airways 777 is burning on the tarmac in Vegas. The plane was reportedly about to depart for London Gatwick. All on board evacuated.
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McCarran Airport @LASairport
UPDATE 4:33 PM -- There were 159 passengers and 13 crew on the flight. Two were transported for minor injuries. |
passenger pic from another place
KVVU, a Las Vegas TV station, has posted this pic:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...b/britfire.jpg simply described as "a passenger photo" though obviously from another aircraft. [edited to point to a different posted copy of the same photo without wasted black pixels on each side] |
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Tail G-VIIO serial number 29320 delivered 1998 to BA.
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Looks like he was taking off from 07L and stop close to A3 or A4. All I can see is a C txy sign... Anything else?
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BBC news channel just had a live picture the same angle as the photo nearest above, and also video from a helicopter tour above it after the fire was out, showing smoke deposited on both sides of the fuselage but more on the left about adjacent to the leading edge, the script saying a fire in one engine
Edit 0125: just showing it again, again saying left engine on fire as preparing for takeoff, and this time also quoting unnamed FAA spokesman also saying left engine fire |
Guardian had a reporter on board: plane was taking off and aborted.
Read his tweets here:https://twitter.com/JacobSteinberg British Airways plane catches fire at Las Vegas airport | US news | The Guardian |
Not a brake fire
They didn't report it as a brake fire mainly because it isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsMzxKrr6Q Put this video up and you can clearly see the left engine is on fire. The landing gear is not. National news over here in the Colonies say the engine caught fire as the airplane was taxiing out for departure, but it was actually on takeoff roll. |
ATC recording: https://clyp.it/jrvdzhrw
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Listening to the ATC recording. So professional all round. Well done to all.:ok:
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well played captain and crew. very composed and good work from crews on the ground.
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Looks like a massive uncontained failure on the left engine!! Its shot to sh*t
http://www.airliners.net/uf/194186/1441758970P97XRv.png Hats off to the crew for getting everyone off safe and sound. Here is the ATC recording: https://clyp.it/jrvdzhrw |
It appears that the slides were deployed on the fire affected side of the AC also?
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Have to wonder about ETOPS (or whatever it is called these days) special maintenance .
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Those passengers need to have their hand luggage collected up and crushed. The 'my hand luggage takes priority over your life' attitude infuriates me. Idiots.
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Originally Posted by aterpster
(Post 9110293)
Have to wonder about ETOPS (or whatever it is called these days) special maintenance .
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Brilliantly handled, another British Airtours Manchester 1985 averted. The AAIB made numerous recommendations after this accident and they seem to have paid off.
http://impdb.org/images/thumb/f/f0/P...6_CIMG5044.jpg |
Top job by all concerned it would appear, apart from the idiots with bags...
A failure this serious resulting in a fire this severe could have been a different story if it had occurred past V1; I expect this to have repercussions. |
Originally Posted by Metro man
Brilliantly handled, another British Airtours Manchester 1985 averted. The AAIB made numerous recommendations after this accident and they seem to have paid off.
But I was a little surprised to see smoke going towards the fuselage in today's incident. Is there any recommendation to turn in the last few seconds of movement to leave the fire on the downwind side, or would this probably have been done and it's just unfortunate that a light and variable wind varied shortly afterwards? |
Originally Posted by 6000PIC
(Post 9110318)
A near perfect example of the 90 second evacuation time limit the authorities require for aircraft certification. Well handled. Curious how long it took CFR to get to the aircraft after the button was pushed. Nice to see no passengers were run over by the CFR vehicles as @ SF. Certainly a bit chaotic , but glad professionalism of the crew and others prevented loss of life. Congrats to BA crew to a job well done.
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The crew reported that they were stopping some time before asking for fire services and indicating that they had a fire. I would think that they were not in a position to manoeuvre to put the fire on the lee side once they had stopped.
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here someone compiled pictures from various angles and positions
British Airways plane catches fire on Las Vegas runway (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) |
Some history on the engine:
G-VIIO is fitted with the GE90-85B, although a GE90, it is a up-rated GE90-76B which is the original and baseline GE90. Here the FAA's Type Certificate Data Sheet for the GE90 http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...9EN_Rev_18.pdf GE90-85B Same as GE90-76B except higher thrust ratings. Corresponding Rating Plug changes |
The source and persistence of the fuel will be of significant interest, considering the various shut off valves. Once stopped and fuel pooling is present evacuation time is critical before the fuselage is breached.
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Listening to the recording, ATC had already pressed the crash alarm before the cockpit crew announced the evacuation to ATC and called for fire and rescue (which was also done in a very timely fashion). At which point you can already hear the EVAC wailer noise from the cockpit in the background. |
It appear the lessons from Airtours,Manchester have been learned and applied.
The pax retrieving cabin hand luggage before evacuation should be prosecuted for 'endangering life' or similar. |
From KLAS off of 07 you could swing to the NE and try to hit lake mead. Your only other options if you want to try and land a T7 would be US93 or US95 to the S SE. Both 4 lane highways, straight, with full shoulders. But you are looking at a 35' wide runway ( with hard packed earth on both sides)
You might try for KBVU (Boulder City NV), but the runways are more suited to a king air or small jet. |
I'm interested in what would have happened if it had been post V1, and the pilot just proceeded to take off given a normal engine failure post v1. If the fire would burn on, that is fire extinguishing via shut offs and fire bottles unsuccessful such as in the event of the uncontained failure damaging fuel lines or a tank and it feeding the fire, then an immediate return and landing would have been necessary. There are quite a few runways around Las Vegas which can take a 777, yet with the fire equipment and all probably it would have meant a direct return to McCarran. I remember that also in the British Airtours case in Manchester there were discussions of the "what if" type. What would have happened if they had gotten it in the air with the failure happening after V1? Quite possibly, they would have been all right, as the engine could have been secured and a normal OEI landing made. The really dangerous bit about an uncontained failure of this kind is when stopping with the engine still on fire. But if it happens before V1 that is what must happen. In any case, it appears that also here the airplane was heavily damaged, possibly the cabin integrity lost if I look at some pictures. The fire services did a fantastic job to be there so fast and contain the situation. |
Nellis AFB might be a good option? Miss NLV and you are hitting houses, miss Henderson and your into terrain. Failed return to KLAS and you have the houses again. Nellis would have the runway, emergency equipment and minimize the the houses and terrain issues.
But keep in mind, I fix'em, I don't fly'em. :O but that is right over my house, so please don't miss. |
Not being the tough guy just stating what most know to be true. As already stated by others people had time to collect their carry on - I might die but I must die with my bags?!
Not suggesting that people weren't scared but now they're safe I doubt that being safe is now a higher priority for some than how they can profit from this. I spent many years in front line emergency service and saw the sad compensation driven progression from "Thank f&*& I'm alive" to "What can I make out of this." HTC |
I think there must have been a secondary effect to get this big a fire from an engine failure - loss of engine controls to cut the fuel (a la A380/Singapore), or shrapnel damage to a wing tank that then fed the fire.
The flames (and soot, once the smoke cleared) seem to be on the inboard side of the engine, not centered on the core. I guess we'll get closer and sharper pix, and more details, fairly rapidly. BTW - I heard at least one interviewed SLF comment on the "crazy people" who stopped to collect carry-ons. So some passengers do understand the situation. |
At least maybe the 'carry on' problem will be now accepted as a global issue and not just a developing world issue.
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The first fire appliance raced to the scene with its four floodlight masts raised???
Mickjoebill |
The first fire appliance raced to the scene with its four floodlight masts raised??? Mickjoebill |
Some pax are always going to take their cabin luggage with them in an evacuation, its an instinctive reaction. Its been demonstrated in every evacuation and airlines know this very well. If you want to stop pax taking hand luggage off a burning plane the only way to do it is not to let them take it on in the first place.
If you want to blame someone or prosecute someone then try the airlines. |
But I was a little surprised to see smoke going towards the fuselage in today's incident. Is there any recommendation to turn in the last few seconds of movement to leave the fire on the downwind side, or would this probably have been done and it's just unfortunate that a light and variable wind varied shortly afterwards? |
Cabin crew
Would these excellent crew be some of those who BA are handing a massive salary cut or redundancy to?
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Originally Posted by bud leon
(Post 9110412)
Whether or not done on purpose, that would be a good way helping ensure evacuating passengers can see it
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