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Anyone remember the three Ugly Sisters at QF, one developed a massive crack in the fuse which could have easily sent it to the bottom of the Pacific.
I hope not but could the ex MAS B744 crack, caused by illegitimate sealant removal using a box cutter, be repeated again? :uhoh: Often it pays to look at history, as it has a habit of repeating itself. |
Originally Posted by mickjoebill
The theory has not yet been debunked.
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A semi-retraction from the RMAF.
IMHO this is ridiculous butt-covering. Any credible SAR effort would not commit such serious assets to a search area so diametrically opposed to the track of the aircraft in question without very good reasons. The Malaysian political imperatives now seem to be taking over, leading to an impression of a confused SAR effort. The Malaysians need to be upfront here. Already the suspicions of a cover up are beginning. OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY CHIEF OF ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE ON BERITA HARIAN NEWS ARTICLE DATED 11th MARCH 2014 ON SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS IN THE STRAITS OF MALACCA 1. I refer to the Berita Harian news article dated 11th March 2014 on Search and Rescue Operations in the Straits of Malacca which (in Bahasa Malaysia) referred to me as making the following statements: The RMAF Chief confirmed that RMAF Butterworth airbase detected the location signal of the airliner as indicating that it turned back from its original heading to the direction of Kota Bahru, Kelantan, and was believed to have pass through the airspace of the East Coast of and Northern Peninsular Malaysia. The last time the plane was detected by the air control tower was in the vicinity of Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca at 2.40 in the morning before the signal disappeared without any trace, he said. 2. I wish to state that I did not make any such statements as above, what occurred was that the Berita Harian journalist asked me if such an incident occurred as detailed in their story, however I did not give any answer to the question, instead what I said to the journalist was “Please refer to the statement which I have already made on 9 March 2014, during the press conference with the Chief of Defence Force at the Sama-Sama Hotel, Kuala Lumpur International Airport”. 3. What I stated during that press conference was, The RMAF has not ruled out the possibility of an air turn back on a reciprocal heading before the aircraft vanished from the radar and this resulted in the Search and Rescue Operations being widen to the vicinity of the waters of Pulau Pinang. 4. I request this misreporting be amended and corrected to prevent further misinterpretations of what is clearly an inaccurate and incorrect report. 5. Currently the RMAF is examining and analyzing all possibilities as regards to the airliner’s flight paths subsequent to its disappearance. However for the time being, it would not be appropriate for the RMAF to issue any official conclusions as to the aircraft’s flight path until a high amount of certainty and verification is achieved. However all ongoing search operations are at the moment being conducted to cover all possible areas where the aircraft could have gone down in order to ensure no possibility is overlooked. 6. In addition, I would like to state to the media that all information and developments will be released via official statements and press conferences as soon as possible and when appropriate. Our current efforts are focused upon on finding the aircraft as soon as possible. Thank You GENERAL TAN SRI DATO’SRI RODZALI BIN DAUD RMAF Chief of Royal Malaysian Air Force Released On: 11 March 14 Kuala Lumpur |
Crew oxygen supply
Are there two completely separate bottles/regs/valves etc, ie independent systems for each pilot?
Is there a portable oxygen supply stowed in the cockpit? |
DType Disc failure unlikely??? One assumes (!) that it was not at take off power when it "vanished", and there is much less stress on most engine components at cruise power United Airlines Flight 232 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
DAUD is covering his ass here as reuters reported the story was confirmed by another military source.
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Are there two completely separate bottles/regs/valves etc, ie independent systems for each pilot? Is there a portable oxygen supply stowed in the cockpit? James Portable 02 in the cockpit? Not to my knowledge. |
777 is a fly-by-wire aircraft
If for some reason, all electrical went out to lunch .. all of the major control surfaces might go to neutral? (remember, the 777 is the first fly-by-wire commercial jet) You'd be flying similar to the Sioux City aircraft without hydraulics? Only the engines to control left/right/up/down with? I think you'd have major problems with the up/down .. it might go into a phugoid oscillatory mode. Very difficult to control .. flying low .. you might get an idea of land/water to see where you were, but, you're cooked. You have to figure a place to land, and it's not going to be pretty. But, I'd think that there would be battery power for the critical items .. flight control computers, comm radios? Unless it was some sort of power surge throughout the system?
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in my opinion from the little evidence available, it had a depressurisation problem rendering the flight crew and passengers unconscious, resulting in the aircraft flying solely on autopilot and completely unmonitored from the malacca straights on an approximate track taking it over the indian ocean towards the island of madagascar via diago garcia, where at some point it ran out of fuel.
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Jabawocky:-
I had the exact same thoughts, same airline same paint removal process |
Isn't about time all data is transmitted/streamed live from an aircraft, rather than just information on engine condition to the manufacturer? With the AF A330 crash, investigators had a reasonable idea of what happened through the final ACARS messages.
Searching for the CVR and Black Box can be a challenge, in this case, the authorities cannot even find the aircraft! |
OK.
So the RMAF are now saying they didn't track it westbound? I'm a little confused. Without intending to irritate anyone, or appear callous in regard to the souls missing, transponder appears to be located on the pedestal next to the FO's left arm... tries to squawk 7700 while passing out and instead accidentally switches it off...? |
yep
Diego Garcia - now there's a place with limited radar capabilities!!! Surely they would have missed an incursion into their airspace :rolleyes:
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Without intending to irritate anyone, or appear callous in regard to the souls missing, transponder appears to be located on the pedestal next to the FO's left arm... tries to squawk 7700 while passing out and instead accidentally switches it off...? |
Anyone remember the three Ugly Sisters at QF, one developed a massive crack in the fuse which could have easily sent it to the bottom of the Pacific. |
Majorbyte
I lean to your theory, although we still haven't been able to rule out foul play, and that the airplane was taken for a reason.
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In all these posts, the only real facts known are that the transponder was turned off, the plane turned back, and descended, and was last detected by the military radar westbound until the signal abruptly disappeared. |
I've completely missed the source saying the military are retracting their statement that the plane changed track westbound. Anyone?
If true it fits into their PR mode of making some vague statement, leaving it one news cycle then retracting said statement. |
If for some reason, all electrical went out to lunch .. all of the major control surfaces might go to neutral? (remember, the 777 is the first fly-by-wire commercial jet) You'd be flying similar to the Sioux City aircraft without hydraulics? Only the engines to control left/right/up/down with? I think you'd have major problems with the up/down .. it might go into a phugoid oscillatory mode. Very difficult to control .. flying low .. you might get an idea of land/water to see where you were, but, you're cooked. You have to figure a place to land, and it's not going to be pretty. But, I'd think that there would be battery power for the critical items .. flight control computers, comm radios? Unless it was some sort of power surge throughout the system? B777-You would still have engine driven and air driven hydraulic pumps running. B777-Spoilers No.4 & No.11 have backup cable controls. So some roll control still. |
This is baffling, at first I thought "up to 7 days before they find it"...now I am not so sure.
If reports are true that theaircraft turned back, it begs more questions than answers: -Why was it no longer transmitting any comms, either radio, transponder, acars, nothing? (I would hazard a guess at fire onboard) - What was so serious that necessitated a turn back? - Why did they descend (if indeed eyewitnesses did see the aircraft), did they lose all instruments? all electrics, all displays, which explains loss of comms, etc as well? - I was around 2AM...dark night, did they lose sight of mainland, no instrumentation, descended to get visual? If so, this aeroplane could be absolutely anywhere. :uhoh: |
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