They are going to have to conduct and expanding search pattern out to about 2,500nm from KL in ALL directions......

Also get ALL Radar centers in that search area I describe ( both civil and Military ) to check their recorded displays for any strange targets flying through their airspace on that morning......

Big job.

Like I said pages back, you do realise this 777 may be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean 2,500 nm west of Indonesia...

Fatfish, I asked the same question a few posts ago. Either this muppet has no idea what ACARS is, or, it once again points to some sort of cover up.

The whole media conference was a farce. Late, basically said nothing, a whole lot of contradicting times of radar plots, and much smiling. Smiling and face saving might work locally people, but you are facing the world now.

Transport Minister at the press conference said all radar data from civil and military radar was being shared today with the US NTSB and the FAA. So we may get something independently confirmed tomorrow.
Meanwhile all you conspiracy theorists may want to check the movements of the M.V. Disco Volante and the whereabouts of one Emilo Largo. Maybe you could ask "our man in station H" ( Hong Kong)

Wow
 

Watching the news conference, it is blatantly clear the Malaysians are in disarray. I don't believe they are intentionally covering aspects up (if anything covering their own backside) it is just the fact they are unable to join the dots. We will never know now if this could have been a rescue operation.
Unfortunately it is too late, I hope to be wrong, but that media conference was farcical.

I am wondering:
-how many unidentified plots on a radar were seen at the time MH370 went missing. Not much I guess.
-how much effort does it take to analyze the recording to learn alt, speed, heading of the plot
-how much other radars other than the Malaysia military could have picked up this plot on radar? Phuket?

so why does it take so much time to either confirm or rule out this unidentified plot was MH370?

Ocean surveillance radar satellites should have seen a moving reflector over the ocean if the aircraft turned West and headed out to sea - but then so should Malaysian and Thai radars.

While their operators won't tell you that, I am sure that they could rule out a flight over the Indian Ocean if asked nicely.

Can someone who has charts to do so, do a plot from there last non position prior to lost of transponder to a position 200 nm NW of Penang and see if it correlates with a time of 0214 allowing for wind!

Yes I think this is an example of quoting procedure instead of what actually happened. Similar in the news conference re the "was this aircraft checked for the know fuselage cracking issue", it was yes then clarified with yes that is the procedure, but I will need to check the records. If the speaker didn't have the time or confidence to clarify the answer, then the incorrect information is effectively given that yes this plane was definately checked.

All this talk about unidentified Primary radar contact after LOS from the flight....
Surely a check of radar data from before contact was lost would indicate if there was another craft in the air adding to confusion or if the MH bird indeed went silent and changed course.
If there was an unidentified primary trace before the 'event' then the later unidentified signal could be discounted. If not, then that is indeed a track to follow.

In the absence of any other confirmed data the most reasonable explanation is the aircraft did indeed go down where the transponder ceased transmitting.

THe press conference did say that RR were sending someone from the UK to talk to them about the readouts.

bad questions! worse answers!
 

Just watched the press conference, of which only some was in English.

What is so incredibly frustrating is that the reporters don't know what to ask, and even when they do, the spokesmen parry and evade.

The real question (imo) is: what data are you using, where did it come from, and who is analyzing it?

ACARS -- were there ANY notifications during this flight? when? what did they say?

ENGINE -- were there ANY anomalous transmissions? when? and when did the data STOP being transmitted to Rolls Royce?

RADAR -- which radar, from which countries, exactly, indicated a "turn back"? are there recordings? did anyone, military or civilian, flag this at the time? are all radar data from all possible sources being cross-analyzed?

TRANSPONDER -- does the time the transponder stopped transmitting exactly match or otherwise the alleged "turn"? ditto regarding its synchronicity with ACARS and engine data.

We need a timeline of verified data, NOT vague answers like "we need to find the black box." Right, and until we do, we need to know which indicators are indicating where it might be!

The reporters, instead of asking about the core known data and its provenance, are asking second- or third-order questions that require speculation or conclusions that would have to be *based* on the data! And then the officials reply with defection and obtuseness!

No one has said: here's what we know, here's how we know it, here's how it's being analyzed and leveraged, here's who's in charge of each aspect of the investigation and of the SAR, and here's how countries are collaborating and sharing information and dividing responsibilities.

Totally agree.

Except there would not appear to be anything there.

two interesting statements of todays press conference:

1. If FAA/NTSB can positively confirm the unidentified plot on primary radar is MH370 the radar track will be made public on Thursday. Statement of Minister of Defense

2. The plot was according to RMAF chief: unidentified plot on primary radar at FL295, 200nm NW of Penang, at 0215. "We're not saying it's #MH370

Who receives the ACARS information, the airline? When I heard the aircraft was missing, the first thing that come to mind was "What's was the ACARS information indicating at the time it disappeared? Hard to believe that a large modern airliner in this day and age can just disappear without trace.......

Enough
 

Okay boys and girls. Enough of the moderator bashing.

I've just had a reply from a great guy called Rob and he is dealing with a :mad: storm.

They're trying to trash the stuff that's being repeated over and over again, the stuff that's just plain crazy and trying to keep the posts on topic in succession.

So enough of this:

Let's just stay sensible and stay on topic for once.

That email..
 

appears to describe a credible eyewitness account of an 'event' seen in the night sky.
Does Michael McKay exist, is the email address valid?
Is the addressee valid? Phu Quoc has an airport and thus presumably a tower (phuquoctwr@gmail)?
Hopefully it's being investigated...

Potentially worth for them to review tapes (if any) from Phuket, Had Yai, Surat Thani...

http://www.aisthai.aviation.go.th/we...d%20procedures[12].pdf

Took 7 days to locate suspected wreckage of Adam air, and 10 days for floating debris.

What the NTSB/FAA cannot say is that they can have conversations with classified US military sources that the Malaysians simply cannot have directly, so the FAA can possibly mysteriously verify or discount certain data to a much higher degree of confidence than the Malaysians can, because some classified US system tracked the plane for all or part of its flight path...