@Speed of Sound
As these were timed at 08.11 the aircraft would have been at the outer limit of it's range anyway however it was being flown, therefore close to if not already at fuel exhaustion. |
evanplus - Not been around here for about 5 days so 'm sorry if this has already been asked.
Has the projected range charts for this flight been calculated at maximum operating heights/speeds? I noticed the press were saying the aircraft could have decended to as low as 5/6000ft to avoid radar but this would have had a drastic effect on fuel consumption surely. Most, if not all, of the experts have done a poor job of explaining this. If you're operating the aircraft efficiently your fuel flow actually decreases at low altitude(3%, 250kt vs. .84) so your endurance goes up slightly. The big hit is on your range. Range is cut drastically at lower altitude. Flying at optimum cruise altitude increases your fuel flow by approx. 3% but your speed increases resulting in a range increase of over 70%. So endurance is fairly constant while range changes significantly. |
From the low 20,000 foot range to 45,000 feet which as I understand it is above the certified altitude of the 777. So in my mind there are 2 reasons that would explain such deviations in altitude. The first being the aircraft was experiencing mechanical difficulties in which the pilots were having a hard time controlling. Or, the cockpit crew was no longer a part of the equation and some one else was in charge. |
The mirror image on the northern arc
From crikey.com blog
The head of the Australian Search: "He wouldn’t be drawn on the possibility that MH370 has come down along the mirror image northern hemisphere arc from which the last known electronic trace from the jet could have come, other than to give the media a lucid explanation as to why both arcs were, signal wise, of equal validity." Could someone with mapping software plot the mirror image on the Northern Arc of the current declared search area on the southern arc. My hunch is that this will be smack bang over western Xinjiang, the homeland of the Uygurs. If that turns out to be the case me thinks we might just have found the plane. Or where it has been hidden. |
@dicks-airbus
Where does the fact come from it was flying at 8.11? |
From the low 20,000 foot range to 45,000 feet which as I understand it is above the certified altitude of the 777. So in my mind there are 2 reasons that would explain such deviations in altitude. The first being the aircraft was experiencing mechanical difficulties in which the pilots were having a hard time controlling. Or, the cockpit crew was no longer a part of the equation and some one else was in charge. |
This just in!!! Time of India reports: Practice runways for Male, Indian, Sri Lankan airports and 1 US military base found on seized flight simulation software. What do you all make of this?? :sad: |
@ speed of sound
I have seen reports that claim the last two pings were at the same location which some suggested could mean it was on the ground. Given that 59 minutes could have elapsed after landing before that second last pin the plane could actually have been on the ground for 2hrs 59 minutes. |
"That oil rig worker"
As many posters (including me) have stated, an aircraft on MH370's track to SGN at FL350 would have been well below the horizon at the drilling rig's location.
An industry contact, who is in the offshore drilling business, told me that the purported author of the email exists and was working on the rig on the 8th. Neither the owners of the rig nor the oil company that the rig is working for, was happy with this individual's actions. Not so much due to the unwanted publicity, but due to the deluge of communications from journalists. Of course, the correct action for an individual in these circumstances would have been to contact the captain ( a drilling rig is a vessel, even though it is mostly anchored) and let him contact the appropriate SAR authority. My contact speculated that this individual is probably no longer on the rig or even in Vietnam and is unlikely to be employed in the oil industry again. |
Originally Posted by mrbigbird
(Post 8385554)
"He wouldn’t be drawn on the possibility that MH370 has come down along the mirror image northern hemisphere arc from which the last known electronic trace from the jet could have come, other than to give the media a lucid explanation as to why both arcs were, signal wise, of equal validity."
If the image were reversed then it would have been recorded on the other satellite. |
My contact speculated that this individual is probably no longer on the rig or even in Vietnam and is unlikely to be employed in the oil industry again. |
Of course, the correct action for an individual in these circumstances would have been to contact the captain ( a drilling rig is a vessel, even though it is mostly anchored) and let him contact the appropriate SAR authority. |
Correct practice maybe.India four two.but if it turned out that he had reported it and the report dismissed as it will cause us too much trouble and he still considered it correct what else was he to do.
How would suppressing it help the search. I think about the same as Indonesia refusing acccess to the search planes. (I am sure the US would have done the same though) |
@mrbigbird
I have seen reports that claim the last two pings were at the same location which some suggested could mean it was on the ground. Given that 59 minutes could have elapsed after landing before that second last pin the plane could actually have been on the ground for 2hrs 59 minutes. |
I'm a little puzzled by the Chinese statement that they've 'cleared' all the Chinese pax.
From NY Times: “China has conducted a thorough investigation, and to date we have not found any signs that any passengers on board the plane participated in destruction or terror attacks,” Mr. Huang said at a news briefing in Kuala Lumpur for Chinese reporters, according to a summary on the website of the state-run People’s Daily newspaper. |
fire in tbe wheel well
Not plausible to me that it would burn through the pressure hull to get to the innards without somebody noticing. But I'm not an expert. ;-)
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Could someone with mapping software plot the mirror image on the Northern Arc of the current declared search area on the southern arc From my understanding "mirror" means just that. The geometrical problem is symmetrical to the axis satellite<->LKP (from primary radar). Whatever information from previous pings there is, it remains symmetrical. The southern ocean option probably takes the "flying dutchman" scenario into account, i.e the only conceivable reason why it would be there, is because it flew on a/p until fuel exhaustion. The designated search area is where max range and ping arc intersect, i.e on the extreme end of the arc. Mirrored to the northern arc that would be in the Caspian Sea or maybe a little earlier due to jetstream? On the northern arc the "flying dutchman" isn't the only option, so it may not have gone in a straight line / great circle. Thinking about it: If the FMC was in HDG mode the trajectory on the northern branch would have a different shape than on the southern branch. On the norther branch the trajectory would bend away from the center on the southern branch it would bend to the center. Stand to be corrected. |
Obidiah post #5709 ...can be associated with practical logic, because normal, average reasonable people can one day be overcome with life's challenges, snap, and come off the rails. ...Just as Eqypt Air 990, LAM 470, Silk Air 185, and Ethiopean 702 just last month when the copilot had locked out the captain over Egypt and hijacked himself to Geneva. :{
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Nobody is using hypothetical scenarios to define why to search any area. They are using last known position. Simple as that.
The last known position is anywhere along the north and south corridors. |
Hogger60 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In the weeds Posts: 135 Quote: This guy has come up with a very plausible theory. That is pending that TCAS is based on transponder data which I believe it is? Shadow plane theory The formation flying theory just doesn't hold water. This guy's theory is based on finding the SQ flight using TCAS, and then catching the other aircraft and shadowing it. But in the 777 when you turn on the TCAS, you turn on the transponder and ATC will now have a primary return. TCAS and the transponder are integrated. You can't use TCAS alone. Hogger60 is online now Report Post |
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