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Airbubba 21st Mar 2014 00:49


The owner of one of Australia's major television networks lives in Perth....he has major business interests in West Australia.
I suspect he would own a private jet...so my money would be on the fact that there is a television crew down the back.
This is the same network that had a cameraman on-board the Australian navy vessel that picked up Tony Bullimore. The cameraman was smart enough to stick a network branded cap on Mr Bullimore's head, just before he went public.
I had the same thoughts that there would be media on board the Gulfstream.

AMSA is doing a great job with its media kits including TV camera ready graphics and hi-res photos. You can see the number one engine loitered on an AP-3C in some of the cockpit shots. Why number one? No generator on that motor.

BPA 21st Mar 2014 00:56

Looks like a Global Express VH-TGG is on it's way to the search area.

Alloyboobtube 21st Mar 2014 00:58

The possibilities are still endless , without the Data recorder to see who or what was controlling the A/C and the CVR probably of no use , then sadly the questions will forever remain unanswered.

Coagie 21st Mar 2014 01:01

Map the Ocean Bottom, While Scanning for Wreckage
 

awblain:There were rumors that the French submarine Emeraude that went looking for AF447 couldn't really exploit its listening equipment to the full because while it was large, it didn't have much sensitivity at such high frequencies.

Do the Australian navy have ships with suitable big sonar to hand? They seem to Leeuwin-class survey vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but on the wrong side of the country. Looks like there should be room for some extra stuff onboard if the US has a special 40+ KHz sensitive device.
awblain, contact the Australians and get them to deploy this ship to the search area immediately! Use my name if you have to ... Actually, if this ship can paint a picture of the bottom of a 20,000 ft deep ocean, as well as that top of the line "Hummingbird" brand fish finder out of Eufaula, Alabama can paint the picture of the bottom of a typical lake (It's as if the lake is drained. You can see sunken boats and other features in detail), and I'll bet that it can, then they should deploy it. Maybe they haven't mapped that area yet, and they can kill two birds with one stone, by mapping the area, while reviewing the maps as they are scanned for the wreckage. That ship sounds totally bad ass for it's application. Thanks for sharing the info.

AndyJS 21st Mar 2014 01:02

"The British satellite company, Inmarsat, says it had indications the missing Malaysia airlines flight may have crashed into the Indian Ocean as early as 9 March, two days after the aircraft disappeared."

MH370: Search for missing plane resumes at daybreak - live | World news | theguardian.com

brika 21st Mar 2014 01:02

Bombardier
 
..with a range of 9360 km. Used by private orgs and military. ?18 pax.

Neogen 21st Mar 2014 01:02

This is where India was searching till 15th March before they suspended the search after analyzing their radar data:

http://i.imgur.com/InSJSw5.jpg

http://indiannavy.nic.in/sites/default/files/MAPs.jpeg

brika 21st Mar 2014 01:09

Leeuwin class..
 
..I believe they have another Leeuwin class ship as well -HMAS Melville - may already be in area.

Porker1 21st Mar 2014 01:18

@ AndyJS

Am still trying to get my head around that quote! "....as early as 2 days after the aircraft disappeared."! What are the journalists drinking? Are they including some bizarre refueling theory that hasn't been shared with us?

Andu 21st Mar 2014 01:24


but the speed would start to bleed off due to the thrust reduction and control inputs. As the speed bleeds off the A/P will try to hold the altitude and then eventually disconnect.
Not on the 777 I flew. If the TAC can handle the asymmetry, (debatable without a bit of help from a friendly foot - the TAC is not designed to do all the work, just to assist, and it gives different percentages of assistance in cruise than on takeoff), once the speed reduces to the lower envelope protection, the aircraft will descend, maintaining that min safe speed, I think at 300fpm, a more than acceptable rate of descent for a ditching.

AndyJS 21st Mar 2014 01:25

@Porker1

Some more information about the Inmarsat data:

"Malaysia failed to act on satellite data that showed missing flight MH370 flew for another seven hours after it disappeared, it has been revealed.

Inmarsat, a British satellite company, has told the BBC that it knew on March 11 that the plane was likely to be in either the southern Indian Ocean or central Malaysia and not the Malacca Strait or South China Sea.

The company handed the information over to Malaysia on March 12, but then the country apparently failed to act on the data.

Inmarsat has now spoken out over fears that the search has been mishandled because Malaysia did not publicly acknowledge the data until March 15."


Flight MH370: Malaysia 'knew plane flew for another seven hours at least three days before widening the search' - Mirror Online

brika 21st Mar 2014 01:28

300fpm descent
 
More likely then to undergo a surface breakup as compared to a nose-dive.

Neogen 21st Mar 2014 01:30

This is the current location of the Norwegian vessel Hoegh St Petersburg:

http://i.imgur.com/aEIPmCW.png

Seems they are close to search area..

imaynotbeperfect 21st Mar 2014 01:39

Leeuwin class..
 
Both HMAS Leeuwin and HMAS Melville home port is Cairns which is an awful long way away, even by AUS standards of distance.

Alloyboobtube 21st Mar 2014 01:39

If it is the aircraft is it possible to salvage the recorders in 20,000ft of water or more.

atr-drivr 21st Mar 2014 01:40

Senior VP from Immarst says passed data was passed within a couple of days to Malyasia government.....waited for days to act...:confused:
Thanks Andy. Fox just passed same info...

BPA 21st Mar 2014 01:47

VH-MLE,

VH-TGG IS A Global Express, not a Gulfstream.

It departed YPPH at 0833(WST) for the search area.

Pace 21st Mar 2014 01:49


If it is the aircraft is it possible to salvage the recorders in 20,000ft of water or more.
Yes there are remote control and manned control devices which can go that deep but unlikely as a bit like finding a needle in a haystack.

Coagie 21st Mar 2014 01:49

I keep hearing these "expert" commentators on TV, saying they don't know why the 406mhz signal hasn't been detected from at least one of the ELT's, while they are talking about the plane being in the Indian Ocean. It's because 406mhz won't go through water!!! The ELT is for a crash on land. Why can't at least one of them know this? Most of them are experts on many aspects of airplanes and crashes, but they shouldn't make out like the ELT's will work through water!

SLFplatine 21st Mar 2014 01:52

Originally Posted by Staggerwing http://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Hunter 58,

Early in this blog, I made a post concerning radar tracking by naval vessels that may have been close to the flight path of the aircraft. I did not receive a reply from anyone at the time and maybe you could answer the question: would naval vessels be able to track the aircraft using primary returns and, if so, what would be the range if the aircraft remained at a FL greater than FL200?

I was assuming that there would have been some naval vessels, from various countries, operating somewhere in the area believed to have been overflown by the aircraft.

Regardless I would think it would be safe to assume the U.S. has satellite coverage of everything that moves in that neighborhood.


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