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rigbyrigz 16th Mar 2014 01:35

ABC NEWS (today): " Someone-in-the-aircraft (#MH370) *pre-programmed the plane to make a left turn off course. "

The above statement is surely one of the main reasons why the experts now suggest the mishap was "deliberate" not some electro-mechanical accident.

olasek 16th Mar 2014 01:35


For example, depressurisation caused by failure of an upper skin panel is highly likely to damage the antenna cables.
We have been through this nonsense countless times.
Ok, de pressurisation so what? This will make an aircraft wonder through the oceanic airspace for 7 hrs? Fly straight then make multiple turns? And what's happening to pilots are they on oxygen or just unconscious why aircraft took over all decision making including where to fly?

The Wawa Zone 16th Mar 2014 01:37

acad_1, the answer would be if a normal ACARS shutdown automatically sends a 'logging off now, bye' style of message or just goes Off like a transponder being turned off. Can someone on the usual receiving end of ACARS messages answer that ?

Northern or Southern arc ? By now, using earlier arcs and knowing the speed range out of the last primary fix near IGREX, the RCC should have calculated that one.

So, are SAR assets being deployed to the southern Indian Ocean, or not ??

Another question ! Did the aircraft actually fly through the VAMPI - GIVAL wpts and track out along the published routes, or were those wpts given as approxiamations of some wandering track ? That answer would infer a lot about LNAV 'piloting' or 'wandering'. Also, is any RMAF AD radar VNAV info out there (?), ie., were the 90 degree+ turns at/near the waypoints painted at a constant altitude, or at the high points of some phugoid ? (and you know what that means..)

Sorry, got no information about suicidal alien remote control gold thieves :)

Mr.Buzzy 16th Mar 2014 01:37

It can make an aeroplane wander about for whatever amount of fuel/time is aboard. Google my friend.

Shadoko 16th Mar 2014 01:39

Journey to the End of the Night
 
Hi,

Probably one more stupid theory, but who knows?

OleOle


It makes me sick thinking about it:

- Turn off ACARS
- Then depressurize
- Wait 12 minutes until cabin emergency O2 is used up
- Turn off transponder
- Zoom climb to what is possible, on topping out there will be less than 1g so it can be somewhat higher than what is in the spec
- now return, over land no cell phone calls will be made
And then fly evading detection until sunrise: it will be along the south arc of the last ping, after flying for the last time. Retaliation after is friend jailed for 5 years?

Journey to the End of the Night

The Ancient Geek 16th Mar 2014 01:39

Jeez - here we go again.

There is NO EVIDENCE of any human intervention, terrorists, hijacking, rogue pilots, suicides or alien abduction.

The tiny amount of VERIFYABLE evidence simply tells us that something went badly wrong. Apply a good dose of Occams Razor and the simplest explanation is a catastrophic depressurisation, probably due to a structural issue.
Cargo door, cockpit windshield, upper skin panel ...... many more possible.
Even a birdstrike is possible - it has happened before at 37500 feet but I doubt if vultures would be flying at night.

slats11 16th Mar 2014 01:41


Why are so many still dribbling about ACARS, satcom, or transponders.

I think many of us accepted the "What happened" days ago. Now trying to figure how and why.

olasek 16th Mar 2014 01:41


the simplest explanation is a catastrophic depressurisation,
this is the dumbest explanation and I wrote above why. It doesn't explain anything about this flight.

FlightDream111 16th Mar 2014 01:45

Remote islands?
 
Are there any remote uninhabited islands with WWII runways where a 777 could land, and no-one would know? Maybe possible alternates (unofficial) ?

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/HI/..._W_Pacific.htm



The 777 is perfectly capable of landing with its communications switched off? It would be daylight by then...

The aircraft flew on for 4 hours or 7 hours? If it was traced upto 4 hours and the statellite transmission equipment was disabled/hacked to pieces by someone board, the logical course would be to turn again to an area no-one would think to look.

Mr.Buzzy 16th Mar 2014 01:47

I disagree OLASEC.
Your description is flawed when you consider what could happen when the crew oxygen ruptures. Holes the fuselage and subsequently does not provide the pilots with the life giving oxygen they need as they "maskup" and start trouble shooting. Really, google "QF30 incident"

The Wawa Zone 16th Mar 2014 01:48

I agree, Mr Ancient Geek, but still the weeds sprout.

Can PPrune mods do something, ie., delete posts from the Twilight Zone crowd ??

I would suggest however that logical debate over an unlawful interference scenario(s) would be welcome if caution was exercised. I also suspect that plenty of, or all of the stakeholders would want to actively promote a 'hijacking' scenario, but with little real evidence.

1a sound asleep 16th Mar 2014 01:49

SHOCK POLITICAL TWIST IN MH370 SAGA: Pilot was 'obsessed' with Anwar Ibrahim, M'sian PM said to be RESIGNING
Written by Malaysia Chronicle



http://malaysia-chronicle.com/index....#axzz2w55cBkBq

ManaAdaSystem 16th Mar 2014 01:51

Really Mr Buzzy, it has been discussed 200 times before, including the Qantas incident.

porterhouse 16th Mar 2014 01:53


Really, google "QF30 incident"
And so what? This aircraft flew for 7 hours changing directions and heading into unknown?:ugh:

rigbyrigz 16th Mar 2014 01:53

"no human intervention"? but the waypts were also programmed. Clearly by the flight crew says Mary Schiavano.

Its actually all sorta looking like the mastermind wanted to go to a remote ditching spot with all the fuel used up, for an attempt to duplicated the great Hudson River feat with a lightened load? And maybe did??

The Ancient Geek 16th Mar 2014 01:54

Quote:
the simplest explanation is a catastrophic depressurisation,

this is the dumbest explanation and I wrote above why. It doesn't explain anything about this flight.
What, exactly, is wrong.
It explains everything that we KNOW including the loss of signals and initial erratic radar returns. There is no reason why an aircraft with a damaged upper skin panel could not then continue until fuel exhaustion.

Mr.Buzzy 16th Mar 2014 01:54

Thanks Manandasystem,
Please do enlighten me then. What are the pilots breathing through their mask if their oxygen cylinder ruptures and holes the fuselage?

Heli-phile 16th Mar 2014 01:55

@ancient greek
 

There is NO EVIDENCE of any human intervention, terrorists, hijacking, rogue pilots, suicides or alien abduction.

The tiny amount of VERIFYABLE evidence simply tells us that something went badly wrong. Apply a good dose of Occams Razor and the simplest explanation is a catastrophic depressurisation, probably due to a structural issue.
Cargo door, cockpit windshield, upper skin panel ...... many more possible.
Even a birdstrike is possible - it has happened before at 37500 feet but I doubt if vultures would be flying at night.
let me summarise the above ....TOTAL DRIVEL or MOD fodder as I call it!

overthewing 16th Mar 2014 01:55

The Telegraph (UK) reports on plot to hijack Malaysian plane:

Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane - Telegraph

The Wawa Zone 16th Mar 2014 01:56

olasek, incorrect. A depress-urisation does not 'cause' an aircraft to fly uncommanded, it may prevent, through crew incapacitation, recovery of control of a stable uncommanded aircraft.
The thing will not plunge to the ground the moment the crew let go of it.


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