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Why do these (in)denials remind me of SilkAir 185?
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"Thunder Ball"
Someone, pax or crew took the plane. A loud noise is not an Explosion. Planes flying along other airways is not out of control. What are the underwriters doing? Drama from this 20-20 hindsight & A dog /pony show hides the truth. Governments take time to do anything (DMV?) Why? pilot wants to become an Airheart? Pilot wants to boost his early retirement? Pilot is an islamic mole? Pilot opened the door to the wrong skirt? Lawn dart or bus to nowhere? Your call. |
There are VERIFIED heading changes, at least 4, with about 200 nm straight flying between them. Don't make me laugh about your "radio" qualifications, are your there on the ground in Malaysia? The heading changes are reported but not verified. I suggest that you go back and read what few real facts that we have. And why are you being so agressive, cool it and chill out. |
Given the 50/50 odds from the Inmarsat ping, there is the possibility that Uighurs and/or sympathisers had taken over and directed the a/c to some remote strip / landable area with the view to conduct a hostage negotiation with the Chinese regime.
Setting up military radars in the Himalayas looks to be quite a challenge. And likely one could fly below. Avoiding CFIT would be a serious challenge. Aircraft have been lost in the Andes above treeline, sometimes for decades. Survivors of one wreck were stuck for weeks until a party succeeded in walking out. |
Obviously all parties involved in the investigation have far more information and resources available then any of the posters here. If they came to a high probability conclusion what could have happened to the flight, I am sure that this is the most probable outcome. I can't believe how much nonsense is posted here and the arrogance of some posters thinking they know more then anyone involved in the investigation.
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It seems that the pieces are slowly emerging to form a fairly coherent explanation.
Perhaps sadly, this doesn't surprise me. A few of us were suggesting this days ago, but kept getting deleted. Sadly I and perhaps a few others here have seen true evil and know what people can do. A few here seem to be struggling with what we are learning, and are determined to stick with inexplicable "explanations" Incidentally, you can be sure the authorities are monitoring this thread. There is always a long shot someone here might come up with something from left field they haven't though of. Also if there were any co-conspirators, there is a fair chance they will be watching. Plenty of arsonists are apprehended watching the fire. I don't believe there are any co-conspirators and belief this was a lone wolf. But you never know. |
First off, those who aren't PROFESSIONAL PILOTS should keep their insane theories to a minimum. I myself am a retired pilot who flew with a major airline for 32 years.
But look, airlines these days... some days I'd walk out the cockpit and it looked like a prison riot had taken place. I'm talking cups everywhere, graffiti, and seat-backs which had been slashed with knives somehow. Ridiculous. Trying to get a cup of coffee without lipstick on the rim of the cup was impossible, and that was when the stewardesses weren't busy cooking whatever it is they thought they were cooking. And I can't count the number of times I had to go back and settle some beef between a flight crew member and a passenger, lest we have someone trying to open an emergency exit at 30,000 ft. Point being it's obvious that something happened with the pilots, but lets not libel them by delving into their psychology without taking all of this into account. The the poor guys up front just might not have been able to stand the smell of the plane, and theres only so many times you can take being told that the lady in 23F wants a pillow while you're navigating mountains in a fog. |
Originally Posted by The Wawa Zone
(Post 8379702)
acad_1, the answer would be if a normal ACARS shutdown automatically sends a 'logging off now, bye' style of message or just goes Off like a transponder being turned off. Can someone on the usual receiving end of ACARS messages answer that ?
Northern or Southern arc ? By now, using earlier arcs and knowing the speed range out of the last primary fix near IGREX, the RCC should have calculated that one. So, are SAR assets being deployed to the southern Indian Ocean, or not ?? Another question ! Did the aircraft actually fly through the VAMPI - GIVAL wpts and track out along the published routes, or were those wpts given as approxiamations of some wandering track ? That answer would infer a lot about LNAV 'piloting' or 'wandering'. Also, is any RMAF AD radar VNAV info out there (?), ie., were the 90 degree+ turns at/near the waypoints painted at a constant altitude, or at the high points of some phugoid ? (and you know what that means..) Sorry, got no information about suicidal alien remote control gold thieves :) ACARS turned off according to a recent post because it would have sent out a depressurisation message, and the theory is he wanted that done before stating the navigation manoeuvres. Makes good sense to me. 200 pages in and someone adds the new fact about the depressure message would go out on ACARS. |
Originally Posted by LegallyBlonde
(Post 8379645)
This article as originally posted a few pages back by Andy and discussed by others, IMHO, nails the current situation.
Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location | Mail Online ETA: Blue Amber, re rapid climb and descent - maybe the actions of an FO trying to restore control? JMO 1. Daily Mail UK (enough said). 2. Backing PKR in Malaysia and being distraught over the jailing of Ibrahim is hardly "political fanatacism." The Anwar Ibrahim issue has a long history and to think the 18k+ hour pilot just somehow snapped all of a sudden is very unlikely. His assumed issues with the current political climate are COMMON in Malaysia. 3. Stop following drama and Hollywood style news. |
"Avoiding CFIT would be a serious challenge."
Practicing in a sim might help. |
GTC58,
If the airplane was in heading select on autopilot it would have maintained this heading until flame out. If with wandering you imply the autopilot was off it would have crashed after a short while without any pilot intervention. My point is that later, after failed attempts to enter a route back to WMKK or deciding in a debilitated state to hand fly it, the crew became unconscious and the aircraft was uncommanded. As a 777 pilot, you appear to disagree that in this condition, given fuel burn and CG changes in flight, the dynamic stability of the aircraft would be sufficient allow it to remain in the air. How long would it have lasted, do you think ? |
Has anybody asked what was in the cargo holds yet? "Malaysia Airlines confirmed Saturday [15th] that Flight 370 wasn't carrying any valuable cargo." Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Disappeared Through 'Deliberate Action,' Prime Minister Says - WSJ.com |
The B777 has a super critical wing, as such it is not really designed to have aerodynamic inherent stability. Without pilot inputs it doesn't take very long for the aircraft to depart its altitude and flight path in manual flight.
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cvr
CVR would record the last two or three odd hours... the initial part is overwritten... earlier they'd use a continuous tape, nowadays they use solid state devices...In the present context the CVR wouldn't have anything from the early part of the sortie...
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Originally Posted by P-air
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I guess one of the first things the co-conspirators do after landing would be to wipe the CVR and DVDR, thus we may never know what happened even if the aircraft is found if it landed safely somewhere.
However... although there is as yet no hard evidence that one (or both) pilots went "rogue" , and deliberately engineered the disappearance of the aircraft, IF that does turn out to be the case, I'd be willing to bet a month's salary that both the CVR and DFDR were disabled very early on by pulling their respective circuit breakers - meaning that even if the aircraft is eventually found, (either intact or in small pieces), that the "black boxes" will contain absolutely no data whatsoever covering the critical stages of the final flight. That scenario would require that the CVR and DFDR CBs be in a location readily accessible to the flight crew. I have no idea if this is the case with the 777, but on all of the business jets I maintain, (Hawkers, Gulfstreams, EMB-135 etc) the CBs for both the CVR and DFDR are located on the flight deck, within easy reach of the crew. |
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Lets look at some facts or evidences: Plane was at IGARI when it lost contact Oil rig worker saw explosion or sort off Other 8 people heard of explosion Oil slick found in east (But Malaysia denied that its Jet fuel) US7 was one of the first to reach the area Statements coming from White-house (US) and PM (Malaysia) Selective leaks from Pentagon / White House Chinese satellite picked-up something (one sortie by Malaysia plane - and they rule that out) SAR stopped on east side of Malaysia Vietnam accuses Malaysia of not sharing information Only Malaysian primary radar has picked up the plane. Hard to believe that India, Indonesia and other neighboring countries failed to detect. Indian radars are quite capable and they deny any intrusion (statements coming from low level officers, not PM or chief of military) No debris in Bay of Bengal or Indian ocean. All information or data coming from Malaysia or US. So far Malaysia has been very inconsistent in revealing/sharing information. Vietnam and China says and proposes something, Malaysia quick to issue a denial to that. Deduction Malaysia is hiding something of great magnitude US is party and supplementing to whatever Malaysia is saying or hiding Something big has happened that Malaysia is trying to cover-up All data/information related to satellite etc is false and is being deliberately fed as afterthought Possibility MH370 never flew west It had a failure with its transponder (at a wrong time) Crew trying to navigate US7 fleet present in that area, picked up the aircraft on their radar. Edgy and trigger happy action by them or someone. Deliberate action to cover-up and misguide everyone to look at west. While the clean-up is being done on east side. There is certainly more to whatever is being said by Malaysia and US. It can be concluded that plane never flew west. Almost impossible to imagine India not picking up an aircraft of this size passing through its airspace. ADS-B usually set on auto needs to be deliberately selected off with the FMC interface. ACARS uses SATCOM as an alternate to VHF, but pinging doesn't happen randomly. To my limited knowledge it isnt like a modem pinging the server to 'keep alive'. Giving credibility to some deliberate actions by individuals who have some vested interest. |
The Ancient Geek said
The tiny amount of VERIFYABLE evidence simply tells us that something went badly wrong. Apply a good dose of Occams Razor and... ...the simplest explanation is a catastrophic depressurisation, probably due to a structural issue. Cargo door, cockpit windshield, upper skin panel ...... many more possible. Even a birdstrike is possible - it has happened before at 37500 feet but I doubt if vultures would be flying at night. - then this catastrophic event leads to the the ACARS going out ... and the pilots did nothing - then Transponder fails ... and the pilots do nothing - alarms are going off everywhere ... and the pilots do nothing - next the pilots make their normal handover contact with ATC ... and tell them nothing - at this point they pretty much instantly flip the plane around 180, but in the middle of it apparently ... pass out? - now quick ascent ... pilots stay passed out - this leads to stall and fall ... pilots stay passed out - now maybe they wake up to avert the stall? ... must pass out again though - next after about 20-30 mins they wake up and turn 90 degrees before ...passing out - another maybe 5-10 mins pass I believe it was Godzilla comes in and blows he plane onto another course ... pilots still passed out - another 20 mins, wake up and turn, then ... pass out again - at this point maybe the plane has a straight enough pass to fly completely straight to crash site without being pinged by any countries radars ... pilots never woke up again that is approximately what you call your "Occams Razor/simplest solution" (and some people actually agree with you here, amazingly) ...meanwhile ... this is what some of the best minds in the Governments of seeming all Countries involved, as well as most experts and many people here (include mine): - People who knew what they were doing did what they knew how to do Wow, you know what - after typing it out, I can so totally see how our theory is just sooooo dang complicated and illogical and all that while yours is just so unbelievably simple! ... :ugh: |
Wow, you know what - after typing it out, I can so totally see how our theory is just sooooo dang complicated and illogical and all that while yours is just so unbelievably simple! |
JRBarrett: Can't swear on a 777 but on a NG737 all four flight recorder box breakers are in the cockpit (it gets power from both ac buses and both dc buses. CVR is in the cockpit as well. On the ACARS MU it has 2 breakers one on an ac buss and one on a dc buss. both on the flight deck as well.
It does seem like either the ACARS MU died at the worst possible time, or someone pulled the breakers. |
GTC58
Thanks, so therefore it's options for remaining in the air would be FMS commanded flight, or hand flying, and that it would be unable to rely on a third possibility of dynamic stability, to phugoid it's way along until fuel exhaustion or terrain impact at a low point of the amplitude. Low roll stab will also indicate that the first divergences would occur in roll, and turning flight (or spiral flight) rather than more or less straight tracks would be the result. Would you agree ? |
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