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I don't think the PM has been to any press conference so for him to attend there must be a preety good update.
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If you are an empiricist, then you should be sitting there saying that, right now, we have no idea where the plane is because we have no FACTS to go on, other than it has disappeared. Those are the only facts so far that Malaysia has announced. Everything else is media hype, you guys have invested so much time in wild theories from everything to anoxic crew to alien abduction. Its ridiculous and sad. I feel sorry for the families who are being given false hope by this sorry episode of schoolboy tomfoolery. How about we trust that the Malaysians are competent adults who know what they are doing. |
Heaps of posts on twiiter reporting MH370 was hijacked.
Also that the Prime Minister will hold a press conference at 1PM local time (5:00UTC) i.e. in 1 minute... I assume it will be on Live TV | Astro Awani which currently is showing a replay of yesterdays press conference. |
How much fuel onboard?
OK am new to this forum, and yep, am annoyed by "speculation".
The "news" in my part of the planet is somewhat confusing. "Facts" seem to be sparse. can some one tell me me exactly how much fuel was loaded onto MH370 at KL. How far could it have flown? |
I find it odd that the First Officer is outed on Australian TV as having broken security protocol by inviting a couple of highschool girls on the flight deck and trying to hook-up with them while they were on holiday in Thailand. I can venture that was not an isolated event as well. The forum's attitude here was that its unfortunate the media portrayed him like that and he shouldn't be remembered that way. Also noting the captain on that flight will likely face disciplinary action (rightly so). Even if, and I'll admit it, they don't look like the terrorist types, it demonstrates a willy-nilly attitude towards his duties and responsibilities on the flight-deck as well as security. Being a long time reader of Pprune has taught me about the Asian mindset of not questioning one's superiors - would that not come into play here? |
Hijacking the facts
Now that it's been officially declared to be unlawful interference, you'd have to take a contrarian view in questioning this paranoid conclusion - via the other possibilities.
Simply assuming that "somebody" was switching off comms equipment is to disregard a more simplistic explanation - such as an avionics bay/ main load centre explosion/fire that progressively disabled systems. A progressive failure that was epicentric to aircraft electrical (and thus also avionics) system integrity could conceivably knock out comms, transponders, ACARS etc and distract the pilots (getting on oxy, getting their oxy mask mikes to work, talking to the rear). So after such an event, assuming the aircraft remained controllable, what would the pilots have left? Radio comms? Transponder? Flight instruments for control on a dark night? If there was a discernible horizon but despite cloud cover below to hide any land-mass, it may well have been controllable - however directionality might have been a problem (did they have an E2A wet compass?). So if they turned back towards KL in an essentially electrically inert airframe, it may have been a rough guess heading based on a timed turn and nothing by way of electronic navigation. What might have happened in regard to height keeping? Was their altimeter disabled? Would that have led to a purported momentary excursion to 45,000 ft? If a 777 aircraft is partially electrically inert, what happens in respect of maintaining cabin altitude? Would the pilots be (or become) aware of any insidious depressurization? How long would their oxygen last? Would they be facing inevitable loss of consciousness if they'd remained at height - leading to the aircraft droning on westward (on autopilot or not). Could the pilots have become disabled leading to a Helios type scenario with a 3rd party (pax or rear-end crew) using the code to access the cockpit and trying to operate the aircraft? Alternatively, although the cockpit door can prevent terrorist ingress, maybe the terrorist network became aware that they could access the avionics bay from the forward galley - and thus disable the aircraft from there via covertly disrupting comms and avionics (and cabin pressurization?) in an orderly sequence. One of their first tasks may have been to kill the cockpit to rear internal comms, thus leaving the pilots to wonder "What in hell is happening here?" -as various systems warnings cooked off). After any such nasty terrorist disruptions in the avionics bay, the pilots would be left in a similar scenario to that described above, i.e. "flying by the seat of the pants on a dark and moonless night over-ocean". It would be challenging to say the least, even in daylight. I doubt that all possibilities have thus far been credibly canvassed. The various data-points thus far established may be explicable via the technical intricacies encompassed within either of the above scenarios. I'd like to hear any contrary views. |
The posts about heading changes and who might be making them ignore the fact that the average, GPS equipped, mobile phone or tablet running an FMS app pre-loaded with a planned hijack route can be easily followed in HDG SEL mode by a child. No need for astro, FMS input training, flight plan changes, or other silly suggestions. It's more capable than the FMS in some older types and was often used as a backup, albeit unapproved.
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Would they be heading to the Terres australes et antarctiques françaises:confused:
That's about all there is West of Perth. No airports and not much likelihood of landable beaches. |
It seems to me a lot of misinformation generated particularly by a clueless media. Because while others are pursuing various leads you already know what happened - that the aircraft plunged to the ocean within minutes. How about we trust that the Malaysians are competent adults |
. Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, who is leadingthe investigation denied it. "It is not conclusive. I'm heading the investigation and nobody is saying that. It's not true. We are looking at the possibility, we're looking at all possibilities. We're doing every profile of the passengers and crew but there is no firm evidence or leads so far," he told the Telegraph. I hope the Malaysian PM calms everybody down and asks the media to respect the families |
well in fact if the reports are true that the aircraft has been jacked then all those that wrote in to cast doubts on the crew and the crews motives for owning a flight sim should now hold heads in shame. |
Then make up your mind - if they are competent adults truly their government knows what it is saying. My view is this plane crashed minutes after last contact. History has many instances in the past where very little debris was found. But if you have an altered perception of reality then go ahead, publish it. |
"While the media focus has so far been on the so-called 27-year-old "party pilot" Fariq Abdul Hamid, who broke airlines rules by inviting two women passengers into the cockpit of plane in 2011, attention has now swung to the 53-year-old senior pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah.
Advertisement Television journalists in Kuala Lumpur reported that police had raided Mr Zaharie's home as evidence emerged pointing to piracy or pilot suicide, but officials denied it, saying his background was under the same scrutiny as all the 239 people on board." Read more: Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Investigators suspect MH370 deliberately flew off-course |
. Runcible Yes, the fire theory has a problem, doesn't it? That being that the aircraft seems to have flown on for another 5 hours. A fire severe enough to take out all electronics, but not bring the aircraft down until it flamed out, hours later? Seems highly unlikely! |
xgjunkie
I'll remind you.
They are saying they DON'T KNOW. They are not committing to ANY THEORY at present. Presumably because there are no FACTS to support any theory. And, please, cite me any previous air crash where the aircraft crashed in shallow water, really shallow water in oceanic terms, and left not a single trace. I cannot think of a single one. |
OTHR
Re OTHR Jindalee
Err no it would not have tracked the flight. Its a daylight test radar looking for boats. |
I understand I might be upsetting some ego's here but if this Inmarset info is 100% correct then why then are the Malaysians not using that as conclusive proof that the aircraft continued flying. They are not.
They are still searching in the last contact area. How about a dose of logic. Anything else means you lot thinks the Malaysian investigators are totally incompetent. |
Perhaps because it involved triangualtion with "Other Satellites" which Government(s) don't necessarily want you to know about?
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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
"Its a daylight test radar looking for boats"
Rubbish! |
How about a dose of logic. Anything else means you lot thinks the Malaysian investigators are totally incompetent. 1) Incompetent 2) Unsure how to handle the situation 3) Hiding inconvenient truths that make them look bad 4) All of the above A commentary carried by China’s state news agency Xinhua demanded: “Why is the silence on the flight being kept so long?” Complaining that officials had been largely silent, it added: “Mounting evidence points to the theory that, including the possibilities of pilot error or terrorist activity, the loss of MH370 with 239 people on board is a man-made event rather than the result of a mechanical breakdown. “If sabotage is not ruled out, withholding information from the public can be dangerous, even lethal.” that is relayed by the Guardian, a site which has been trying to downplay the possibility of hijacking.terrorism since day one. It comes from this article which lists many of the real facts some here desperately don't want to hear Flight MH370: Malaysians convinced missing airliner was hijacked | World news | theguardian.com ...and I just want to say how comical it really is that the "evidence" is that the plane made last verbal contact somewhere and someone in no position to see the crash says he saw the crash per a Government who is on record saying something, saying they didn't say it a few hours later, then saying it again the next day. The really odd thing though? If one really believed the Malaysian Government and Eye Witnesses then they would believe the plane went West! After all, the very first thing the Malaysian Government said was the plane went missing at 2:40 (not 1:30) there was evidence it turned West and that there were multiple eye witnesses spotting a plane flying near the Malaysia/Thailand border at roughly 1:45. Why are those facts provided by the Malaysian Government the ignored ones, but the ones that make zero sense and has every Government there is questioning their ability to give straight answer the only things believed? Just because you desperately, obsessively want something to be true, doesn't mean it is. This goes for both a poster or two here, and the Malaysian Government. |
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