Why fly from IGARI to VAMPI and not direct to GIVAL? Got so close to Thai airspace at GIVAL and no detection from TAF?

Flight Aware
 

When one checks the end coordinates of the list:

On the 5th and the 7th the end coordinates are identical... they landed right? 40°08 116°58 (Which is on the left side of the terminal 2 @ beijing/ road side G111)

(flightaware does not show a flight on the 6th, while flightradar24 has a flight on that date, seems there is a one day difference in the database)

On the 8th where it shows a plain goes missing: don't ask my why they display the 8th...

But the end coordinates of the 8th are bang-on a hotel if i'm doing it right, in Beijing...
39°90 116°48
With the address of
4 Dong Zhong Hu Tong, Xi Cheng Qu, Beijing, Volksrepubliek China

FE Hoppy,
Let's just find the aeroplane and see what state it's in first.

Someone earlier on mentioned MH030, KL to IST. Out of curiosity, I tracked the MH030 flight of last Saturday on FR24, and now have a query.

At the time MH370 disappeared from FR24, MH030 was about 150km south of Penang,tracking NW. At around 18:01Z, when about 100km NE of Bandeh Aceh, it disappears from FR24. Letting the playback run, I saw that all flights disappear from FR24 at that point, unless they're a bit further north towards Phuket. I presume that FR24 don't have access to equipment in that area that can give them transponder data.

I'd assume that ATC and so on would have access to other sources and would still be able to 'see' those flights. I really can't believe that military radars would be unable to identify a plane at that point and thus see all flights as warning blips. Would they?

Freight manifest.
 

Until flight recorders and wreckage has been found the freight manifest is irrelevant, indeed it will only become relevant if the investigation finds evidence of a problem such as a fire in the hold.

At this stage the searchers have better things to occuply their time.

Inmarsat - this piece is on the BBC website, by a science correspondent Jonathan Amos.

"This story is a mystery for sure, but information is now starting to emerge that allows us to join some of the dots.

We know the aeroplane was fitted with a satellite system that enabled it to pass information to the ground during flight. It is my understanding that this system, operated by London's big satellite telecommunications company Inmarsat, received an automated signal from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 at least five hours after the plane was reported lost.

There is no way that signal could have been sent unless the plane was intact and powered. These types of satellite systems can pass a range of data, even voice calls.

But even if the last communication was a simple, automated ping carrying no real information, its receipt alone should make it possible to work out an approximate position for the aircraft at the time of that last signal. This may well explain why the US has now sent search teams to the Indian Ocean."


BBC News - Correspondents - Jonathan Amos

We are solely focusing on pilots and co-pilots, their actions, hobbies, character etc.

Have we considered that due to sudden decompression and *some* mechanical failure both the pilots might have passed out. Then someone else with a little bit of consciousness was trying to fly the plain.

Bringing back to Helios :ouch:

There seems to be no hijacking or so..

It seems to be a case of multiple mechanical failure.

Not sure if this has been posted yet. Looks like this is a good summary of what is happening, good listen for 6 minutes

WSJ Reporter: Missing Flight 370 Could Have Landed | Here & Now

If this were a criminal investigation, then possibly, but it is not.

It is a search and rescue and will remain that until the aircraft is found or information is received that suggests a criminal act. People on the internet speculating about a plane load of gold being hijacked by terrorists and taken to some remote island is not evidence that a crime has been committed.

Were the homes of the flight crew of AF447 searched while the plane was still missing?

Does anyone else find it odd that when the search was expanded to the west, China came up with satellite pictures of debris to the east. And now that we are searching a specific flight path to the west, China comes up with a seismic event to the east? :confused:

Do the waypoints of this flight path match anything the airline used? Could a canned flight plan have been activated by accident? If not, then someone had to enter the flight plan from the flight deck....

Someone earlier brought up the fuel logs. Very good point. Do we know for sure the aircraft had a normal fuel load for it's intended route, or did it have more?

What the heck is going on? :(

And not exactly onerous for the Malaysians to produce. Unless there's something they don't want us to know.

Captain
 

On the BBC website there is a video of an interview with a friend of the captain called Peter Chong. He mentions he befriended the captain through being a 'social and political activist' - does anyone know any more details? and what does this actually mean in the context of the area as a whole?

Owenshaw.

I beg to differ on this. At this stage unlawful interference is about as likely as some technical malfunction / crew incapacitation. To every crime there is a motive, and clues to such motive could be in the cargo manifest. There are many valuable items shipped on aircraft, not only gold... On the other hand if there is nothing in the manifest that would raise a red flag, that may tick of one possibility as very unlikely. Of course there may be very good reasons for not making this information public, but on the balance that is more likely if there is something to it - hence all the wild speculation.

An excellent post by WillowRun_6_3 a page earlier summarized the implications (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post8375148).

justanotherflyer
 

In my law enforcement experience, it would be very unusual to find any signs of duress, blackmail or threats at the victim's house.

Such threats are likely to have been verbal, rather than written, and delivered personally by the blackmailer.

Zaharie would also not have been the ideal target for a blackmail attempt. He had 33 years in the job and was clearly devoted to it. He would be highly unlikely to have sold his employer, risked a beloved aircraft or the lives of hundreds of passengers.

There is also the question of planning. A theft of this nature would require a lot of long-term planning. First, I would imagine that it would not be known for sure, until the last minute, which aircraft the cargo they were after would be on. Second, I don't know what sort of rostering system MAS runs for its crews, but he would probably not have known his exact roster until a couple of weeks before this flight departed.

All of these factors make me think that a hijacking is more likely than crew stealing the aircraft. What may be of more interest are PAX who bought tickets close to the date of departure.

What about the rest of the crew or company employees aboard

Thinking FedEx 705

A link to the Peter Chong interview.


BBC News - Missing Malaysia Airlines jet: Pilot is 'professional'

The momentum of this bizarre puzzle suggests deliberate human effort. Investigators need to assess the psychological profiles of the pilots; including data on the captain's flight simulator hard drive.

Inmarsat comms monitoring/positioning
 

@oleole
@newjourno

The (short) article from BBC's Johnathan Amos is correct in that Inmarsat transmissions can be monitored and geo-located.

If the plane made any transmissions over Inmarsat - automated signal, or whatever - there exists available technology, coaligned with the Inmarsat system, to pretty accurately identify the emitters position.

See: IMS

glueball
 

i think your a bit deluded sorry

glueball says in post 3320
The momentum of this bizarre puzzle suggests deliberate human effort. Investigators need to assess the psychological profiles of the pilots; including data on the captain's flight simulator hard drive.


my reply=
there is NO investigation as yet as it hasn't crashed in any one country for that
country to start one officially
nor is it a criminal investigation

this is a SAR operation still that is all

there are NO leads official whatsoever as yet that can link anything

no one has any remit to search the captains house or hard drives

Yes this is a speculation but I believe we need to look into crew suicide. Only this time, the crew member didn't want anyone to find out it was suicide and so he/she proceeded to take the plane stealthily to a spot no one would be able to find it.

I'm sure the suicide plan took into account that previous suicides by pilots were discovered by investigators to be suicides due to blackboxes.

I sure hope though that the plane landed/bellylanded somewhere with the passengers still alive...