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hoofie 12th Mar 2014 06:59

Andrasz wrote:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the photo seems to show a maritime life-raft rather than one used in aviation.
Looks that way to me too - it's been in the water a while as well as the top is faded and the ropes are filthy. It certainly matches a maritime one.

An aircraft evacuation slide looks rather different from my point of view. I'm sure though the media will report in breathlessly.

mm43 12th Mar 2014 06:59

Oil Rig Worker
 
Very convincing..NOT!

Good on position and bearings, but an accurate date and time would make the the so-called sighting more convincing.

Captain_Snor 12th Mar 2014 07:00

Unfortunate that Mr. McKay's efforts to help has now resulted in his email address, full names and passport details to be revealed.

nitpicker330 12th Mar 2014 07:02

Why is it suspicious? Looks like a real email at first look to me.

The only sus thing is the NZ passport number on the bottom, too many 8's in it for my liking...

deanm 12th Mar 2014 07:03

Griffo: if the masks weren't donned (as per Helios) it doesn't matter how long the O2 supply could potentially sustain passengers/cabin crew....

If I were (legitimately or otherwise) up front wearing cockpit O2/smoke mask before manual depress, I would expect my emergency O2 supply to last considerably longer than that for SLF....

win_faa 12th Mar 2014 07:11

life raft
 
all life raft i've seen installed on widebody have light gray color. Life raft found at Port Dickson is black so this is not the typical life raft on large commercial jet. Its likely that this is use by marine vessels.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...ash-asiana.jpg

SOPS 12th Mar 2014 07:18

Hang on.....the Vietnamese Authorites are now saying that when the aircraft first went missing, they tracked it going west and they told the Malaysians, but they did not respond back to them.

As each hour passes, a huge cover up seems to be more and more possible.

clayne 12th Mar 2014 07:20


Originally Posted by win_faa (Post 8368491)
all life raft i've seen installed on widebody have light gray color. Life raft found at Port Dickson is black so this is not the typical life raft on large commercial jet. Its likely that this is use by marine vessels.

Let us also not forget Port Dickson's location in relation to KUL. Even if the source of the raft were ambiguous, that seems much too south. Combined with the amount of ship traffic through that area, it would appear completely unrelated.

Neogen 12th Mar 2014 07:22


Hang on.....the Vietnamese Authorites are now saying that when the aircraft first went missing, they tracked it going west and they told the Malaysians, but they did not respond back to them.

As each hour passes, a huge cover up seems to be more and more possible.
So far Vietnamese authorities have been consistent in their statements.

Agree - its currently operation cover-up going on.:rolleyes:

Australopithecus 12th Mar 2014 07:26

Interesting data points, and all so late in the piece.


A note on the oil rig spotting: The range estimate of 50-70km is way too far to identify an aircraft visually. A bright fire you could see that far no problem, but you would not be able to say that it was an aircraft. And at 50km a fire that bright would be pretty fearsome.

I have been spending my life squinting to see known aircraft at known distances and about ten miles is the limit to make out the shape. You can see strobe lights at 20 nm from a very dark vantage point.

So, what did he see?

hans66 12th Mar 2014 07:27

It's the ACARS you should be worried about in terms of security, not the onboard entertainment system.

nitpicker330 12th Mar 2014 07:28

He's reporting what he saw and how far away HE guessed it to be. Obviously it wasn't as far away as he thought.

Neogen 12th Mar 2014 07:32

West of Malaysia, especially Malacca Strait is well under surveillance by Indian Navy. They have their base in Andaman "INS Baaz"which was recently handed over to their Navy:

India Gives Navy Control of Andaman and Nicobar Command | Defense News | defensenews.com

I am sure they must have been tracking that area, why dont they come forward and share some information.

mixture 12th Mar 2014 07:39


I think the fact that quite a few relatives of the missing ones are claiming the phones rang or are still ringing after the aircraft “vanished” needs to be investigated.
I would hazard a guess that your post on mobile phones vanished because the topic of mobile phones has been covered again and again and again and again and again and again.

We absolutely need to put a stop to people coming on here with their mobile phone conspiracy theories. As has been pointed out multiple times by multiple people.... the mobile phone stuff is a red herring, a false lead .... really, it is not worthy of discussion, at all, ever.

lapp 12th Mar 2014 07:40


I think the fact that quite a few relatives of the missing ones are claiming the phones rang or are still ringing after the aircraft “vanished” needs to be investigated.
I'm a telecom engineer. What is normally called "ringing" is actually ringback tones. Unfortunately, there are situations in which ringback is erroneously generated. I think that if one was to try calling all the phones that were on board, 99.9% would not give ringback, but if any does, is false.


I’m no expert on mobile networks but given the laws that govern such things there should be a method by which global mobile operators could simply punch in an IMEI number into the database in order to determine the last radio mast registration. Collect IMEI numbers for all passengers and search through the databases. There’s nothing to lose. Even if one of them registered in the few hours after that plane went missing we would at least have a more accurate trajectory.
It is not so simple, there is no global datababase and while it is know that operator routinely log network registrations, there is no law that obliges them to do that. So since the most likely place where registration last occoured is Malaysia, it would be to their autorities to investigate using this method. For phones roaming from abroad, the home network would only know time, country and operator a give SIM last roamed in, but no other details.

andrasz 12th Mar 2014 07:48


This only points in one direction - they just want time to cover-up.
It is folly to assume that incompetence has a purpose... Incompetence is just what it says it is. Having lived and worked in the region, the way the communication is being handled fully meets my expectations.

That being said, there is probably plenty we do not know, but that is likely being withheld to save face or preserve egos rather than as a piece of a grander scheme. Everything seems to point in the direction that even those supposedly in the know are just as confused as we are here on the forum, just their high office precludes admitting that.

humbleppl 12th Mar 2014 07:48

Cover up
 
I live in the region and have been following the thread and a lot of the available publications in the press with interest. I am convinced, that something really crazy happened that Malaysia are trying to cover up. Maybe a high jacking gone wrong, just can't make up my mind if they crashed by themseves (but why would Malaysia cover it up) or they were shot down by Malaysian military (or something else very crazy).

I am just sure of something: China will be very very angry very soon, about being fooled by Malaysia. How many millions have been spent by almost a dozen countries looking in the wrong place. Malaysia will have no choice but to come out with the truth. I do not even understand how Malaysia can start searching on its west coast but denying it had any hint that the plane headed that way. There is something so obviously wrong and not matching, I am in fact surprised that China hasn't really made a big fuzz yet....

nitpicker330 12th Mar 2014 07:50

Pinkman---100% agree. A few of us said back on page 1 that there are a lot of Fishing Boats and Oil Rigs in the region and there must have been someone that saw something......

viggster 12th Mar 2014 07:51

rundown of contradictory statements
 
Here's a thorough rundown of contradictory statements made by Malaysian authorities since this began:

Contradictory statements from Malaysia over missing airliner perplex, infuriate

"Azharuddin Abdul Rahman proceeded to issue the latest in a series of contradictory statements on the missing plane – statements from the Malaysians that have added to the confusion, infuriated passengers’ relatives and frustrated nearby governments."

Tu.114 12th Mar 2014 07:53

On Spiegel.de (German language), it is claimed that the last transmission received from the aircraft was "All right, good night" or the like (translated by Spiegel into German and by me back into English, so exact words may vary). This was received at the occasion of the handover from Singapore to Ho Chi Minh.

If correct, it does not appear abnormal to me: just a standard salutation upon leaving a frequency without any indication of anything untoward.


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