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Communicator 12th Mar 2014 09:51

Mobile Phone Tracking
 
Nobody seems to have responded in any detail to the various points about pax phones.

It is common knowledge that many cell phones are left on during flights. Given the demographics, most MH370 passengers would be using smartphones. This raises one interesting avenue of enquiry, and one non-issue.

"QQ" IP Number Logs

If MH370 crossed Peninsular Malaysia at relatively low altitude, some of those phones could have established contact with cell phone towers along the flight path, if only for short periods. Such contacts are logged by the telephone operators even if no call is made. MH knows the numbers of most phones on board because they were used for passenger registration.

More interesting is the fact that smartphone apps contact certain websites automatically when a cell connection is established. Families of some Chinese passengers are reported to have observed that QQ (similar to Gmail chat) showed the missing passengers as logged in. (Login could be entirely automatic under control of a smartphone app.) If true, this means that QQ (as well as the Malaysian cell phone carrier, and the respective governments) have a log of the IP addresses associated with passenger smartphones during the fleeting connection with the Peninsular cell phone towers.

As regards jamming, it is, of course, possible to jam phones, but considerable power would be required to jam every single phone throughout the length of the fuselage, in the cockpit, crew quarters, etc.

Non-Issue - Phones "Ringing Out" Without Going to Voicemail

Another claim in relation to phones is probably true but irrelevant - families of passengers claim that when they attempted to call the passengers' phones, they encountered a continuous ring tone (ring out) rather than being diverted to voicemail or an error message after one or two rings.

Based on my own experience, Chinese cell phone carriers sometimes handle unavailable phones in very idiosyncratic ways, particularly when a Chinese phone is used outside China. There seems to be official concern that voicemail could be used for surreptitious political communications.

Capn Rex Havoc 12th Mar 2014 09:54

ReadW- You are wrong, I just plotted the coords from the email and it is SE of Ho Chi Minh City.

Seems plausible

SOPS 12th Mar 2014 09:58

Some ex airline pilot is on Sky at the moment with a therory that they depressurised, turned 180 degrees and then passed out before they got the masks on. He has them crashing in the middle of the Indian Ocean. He doesn't explain why the transponder went off or the lack of radar coverage however.

multycpl 12th Mar 2014 09:59

I don't understand how, in an area of fist and sabre waving and military might, including the use of various radar and spy satellites, an aircraft of any size can 'just' disappear !!


What ever happened on board, are we really expected to believe that not one world agency knows where that plane went.


Now l feel really 'safe' post 9/11

onetrack 12th Mar 2014 09:59

For those convinced that Malaysia is "hiding something", this following article gives a better idea of the inability of the Malaysian leadership - in all three areas - political, military, and aviation - to handle a crisis of this nature.

They have never had to deal with the world spotlight on them, and never had to deal with an issue as huge as this. They're floundering, but they're also trying to play local politics at the same time. They're out of their depth.

Failing to manage MH370 crisis exposes leadership limit | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online

toffeez 12th Mar 2014 10:01

WangFunk
 
You said: "Landing back in KL with no primary electrical power would not be too much of an issue on standby instruments. Its only a small island with a coastal airport".

Where are you talking about? Certainly not KUL. Did you mean Penang?

SaturnV 12th Mar 2014 10:03

Graphic of the search area produced by the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/wo...t.html?hp&_r=0

The image above has an overlay which does not link. Thus, one needs to go to the NY Times site.

Image is part of a NY Times article with much discussion of the confusing, contradicting, and less than forthcoming statements of government authorities.


I've read an explanation that Malaysia does not have a protocol which assigns authority and responsibility to start and conduct an investigation to a specific government body. The result is what you see, --when nobody is in charge, everybody is in charge.

Andy_S 12th Mar 2014 10:04


Originally Posted by WangFunk (Post 8368651)
Lnding back in KL with no primary electrical power would not be too much of an issue on standby instruments. Its only a small island with a coastal airport, clear night and no need for navigation aids. Even if they were lost, they could of circumnavigated the island coastline

Putting aside the issue of whether Malaysia is "small", the last time I checked it definitely wasn't an island.


Originally Posted by WangFunk (Post 8368651)
AND FOR THOSE ON HERE THAT SAY STOP SPECULATION. I DISAGREE, INVESTIGATION JOURNALISM HAS CRACKED WORLDWIDE INVESTIGATIONS WIDE OPEN!!

If thinking that KLIA is a coastal airport is indicative of the quality of "investigative journalism" on show here then I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that Pullitzer Prize......

Kubalson 12th Mar 2014 10:04

Fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” in Malacca strait.
 
http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/raft2_1.PNG

rachcollins 12th Mar 2014 10:07

I haven't seen this Radar coverage map posted yet, apologies if it already has been this thread has turned into a bit of a monster.


http://i58.tinypic.com/rs52ll.jpg




I shouldn't have to say it, but given the amount of uninformed postings on this thread I will :rolleyes:


The map reflects SSR range only.


Primary ranges are listed below.


This map was released by the Malaysian Department of Civil Aviation.


For obvious reasons it does not show the capabilities of Military radar in the area.








In the Kuala Lumpur and Kota Kinabalu FIRs, radar services are provided using the following civil/military ATC


Radars:


a) A 200 NM long range en-route SSR located at Bt. Chin Chin, Genting Highlands, 23 NM east of Subang -


Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport;


b) A 60 NM Terminal Primary Approach Radar co-mounted with a 200 NM monopulse SSR located to the


west of Johor Bahru-Sultan Ismail Airport runway,


c) A 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) co-mounted with 200 NM monopulse SSR located on Bt.


Subang, 1 NM west of Subang-Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport;


d) A Transportable Radar, 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) co-mounted with 200 NM monopulse


SSR located at KL International Airport;


e) KL International Airport Terminal Approach Radar - A 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) comounted


with 200 NM monopulse SSR located at KL International Airport,


f) A 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) co-mounted with 200 NM monopulse SSR located on Hill


Chengkuang 1.5 NM NE of Langkawi International Airport,


g) A 60 NM Terminal Primary Approach Radar co-mounted with a 200 NM monopulse SSR located to the


south of Kota Bharu-Sultan Ismail Petra Airport runway.


h) A 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) co-mounted with 200 NM monopulse SSR located on Bukit


Kepayang, 1 NM NE of Kota Kinabalu International Airport;


i) A 60 NM Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) co-mounted with 200 NM monopulse SSR located in Kuching


International Airport;


j) A 60 NM Terminal Primary Approach Radar co-mounted with a 200 NM monopulse SSR located at Miri


Airport.


k) A 50 NM Terminal Approach Radar with co-mounted 250 NM conventional SSR located one each at


Butterworth, Labuan and Kuantan Air Forces Bases;

toffeez 12th Mar 2014 10:13

Don't be surprised at Malaysia's apparent incompetence
 
Everyone should be aware that Malaysia makes high level appointments on the grounds of race, not ability. That has been official policy for decades.

On top of that there's corruption, lots of it ....

KrispyKreme 12th Mar 2014 10:14

If it hasn't already been mentioned, B773 the other night had a transponder fail and they did a air turn back

https://twitter.com/avherald/status/443644016056229888

SaturnV 12th Mar 2014 10:29

Stormyknight, the NY Times image link doesn't have the text overlay, e.g., geographical names.

Rachcollins, Thai and/or Indonesian primary radars ought to be able to detect a plane flying over the Andaman Sea. Nothing has been said on whether they saw any sign of the plane.

Akron36 12th Mar 2014 10:29

Body Found off Sumatra
 
This link is in Indonesian but Google Translate indicates this to be a genuine report. Whether connected to MH370 or not is a matter of speculation of course, but that's nothing new here.

http://www.merdeka.com/peristiwa/may...an-mh-370.html

vctenderness 12th Mar 2014 10:36

Alastair Rosenchine, ex BA pilot, on Sky putting forward the 'Helios' theory. His view is it could have flown on with incapacitated pilots for around 3000 miles ending up in the vastness of the Indian Ocean.

sky9 12th Mar 2014 10:36

I'm surprised that if there was a total electrical failure the crew made no attempt to use their mobile phone.

During the 2004 Tsunami my son was in the Maldives and although the mobile phone signals were too weak for voice communication, TXT messages got through with the added advantage that they were held by the phone until a signal was received.

StormyKnight 12th Mar 2014 10:40


Originally Posted by SaturnV (Post 8368734)
Stormyknight, the NY Times image link doesn't have the text overlay, e.g., geographical names.

Yes sorry , just realised that, they are getting tricky with their graphics!

SOPS 12th Mar 2014 10:40

Much delayed press conference just starting now, everyone.

Well that told us nothing, except they have just realised that it might be a good idea to analise radar data! But they actually have said nothing. So either they know nothing or they are running hard at covering something up.

They just said last radar contact at 02.15 local time. Is that a new time? Now they are saying a turn back might be possible. They were asked about ACARS data, but waffled on about radar. Either they don't know about ACARS or again they are hiding something. Either way they appear to be total amatures. They are even condraticting each other in their non answers.

And I ask again, why are they avoiding questions about ACARS data??

Anti Skid On 12th Mar 2014 10:41

This relates back to post 2155

This article


PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.
One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.
"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.
When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.
However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

Now, if they dropped that piece of potential evidence in the sea that is bloody awful. Anyone know if this is an actual aircraft life raft?

aussiepax 12th Mar 2014 10:42

Any links to the presser or live blog ?


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