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BA City Express BHX & MAN - Latest "Rumour"

Old 28th Apr 2003, 17:56
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Stu,

Sir with all due respect whilst Iam quite happy to read all the rumours on these forums Iam not prepared to see someone like yourself talk about a subject of which you have absolutely no knowledge of that being BACX employees.


Those of us who were previously employed by BRAL and Brymon and now collectively employed under the BACX banner probably know more about customer service then you ever will, a large number of us have a long period of service to each airline and most of us have been giving a 100% for all of that time, thats why they were two very successful airlines BRAL in particular.

Both BA and BACX have big problems at the moment there is no disguising that but they are being tackled and I repeat what I said earlier that in my humble opinion BA will emerge from this current crisis a much stronger leaner and fitter airline well able to compete with the likes of Easy etc, and as flight deck and cabin crew we will have maintained our good terms and conditions and salaries, final salary pensions etc. With luck and a great effort both from ourselves and our management BACX will be there alongside mainline.

And to Stu in particular if it is Easy that you work for as I suspect then please do not try and fool us into thinking that everything at that airline is all rosy and that like the seven dwarfs you all go off whistling to work each day. Many of us have friends and colleagues that work for the airline and know full well that there are just as many moans and groans in you crew room as ours, it wasn't so long ago your management had there heads in the trough awarding themselves large bonuses for other peoples hard work.

Stick to talking about what you do know and when you have ten to twenty years experience in the airline business then I might be prepared to listen
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Old 28th Apr 2003, 18:19
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It looks like you are happy in your company Stu so why dont you tell us which one it is?
I dont mind my salary Stu and in fact i am in one of the bases which are reasonably secure, but put your smelly feet in the shoes of those that have relocated about 3 times in the last 2 years and are facing relocation again.
Again if you are single its not bad but can you imagine if you are dragging a family with kids with you?
These people have every reason to complain and we in BACX are with them all the way.
Think before you generalise,look at the full picture and if you want to earn less than your local bus driver so your managers can get their big fat bonuses then stay with the company you're already with.
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Old 28th Apr 2003, 21:19
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Suggest you check some figures and costs before you blame BA Man and Gla mainline handling charges. Have a look at the new starter rates and then you will see why some recent BA recruits have resigned and returned to their previous employers, namely handling agents at Man.
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Old 28th Apr 2003, 22:09
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Just because they pay the staff peanuts doesn't mean they don't charge the customers a fortune.
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Old 28th Apr 2003, 23:15
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Cheeky Visual: excellent post

To add to it and with reference to the use of taxis: when one considers that there is a budget of £10 000 PER MONTH for ferrying around AOG spares via taxi, one can see why the company makes a loss! That, I believe, does not include the cost of positioning spares with light aircraft. It may only be a drop in the ocean in the 'big picture' but it all adds up.
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Old 28th Apr 2003, 23:22
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Add to that the £32000 recently paid to Titan in one week to operate just four sectors out of BHX and perhaps we're starting to see where the money is going.
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 00:01
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Stu-you are either a wind up merchant or a simpleton.In the
latter case someone who makes wide sweeping statements, based on a minute population sample (whilst hiding behind a cloak anonymity) deserves no respect.I have wasted too much time on you already.

Secs machine-Please post your figures for the last year of stand alone BAR operations.I think you will find that BARs losses were immense.
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 02:35
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LAF - the last figures I remember for BAR (that'll be purely the Airbus, the 737s and the JFK 767 which is always full) showed that whilst MAN made a loss, BHX remained profitable and thanks to this the overall group made a profit of approximately £11 million. In fact, in the 12 months following September 11th 2001 BAR was the only fleet in British Airways that made any profit at all.
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 02:38
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mikegreatex - Why is the technical reliability so bad ?? When I flew those said RJ100's under the CFE banner I had only ONE technical delay in two years. And NO overflowing bogs ?? Is this down to BACX engineers not having enough manpower to cope ?
What a shame it's all gone tits up...
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 02:57
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White Knight the reason the rj's are going tech all the time is because BA havent released the spares from Gatwick to BACX. Everytime something breaks down a taxi has to be sent for spares. I know it doesnt make sense but thats the way it is for now.
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 18:11
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Hand Solo - Ah, someone who actually KNOWS what they are talking about!

LAF - Can you spot the difference?
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Old 29th Apr 2003, 20:23
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Hand Solo is right. BAR were, at the end, one of the few profitable parts of BA, BHX in particular made quite large sums of money.

Slight thread creep here, but can anybody in BACX management actually read and write? Not one of the internal memo's or communications has been spelt correctly. Every single one has been grammatically incorrect. The idiots are in charge of the asylum and it's very depressing.
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Old 1st May 2003, 18:30
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secs machine

just to set the record straight many of those who opted for secondment (mainly ex gatwick rather than BAR) have been allowed to change their mind and take up other positions.
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Old 2nd May 2003, 07:01
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warmest congratulations - quite an achievement

Youwererobbed’s comments on 29th April were absolutely right. Not a hanging offence in itself perhaps, but an accurate indicator of the big picture.
To answer ECJs question dated 25th April, read my entry “Congrats To Bacx Elt Top Management” dated 30th April 2003, on the Rumours & News section of this web page.
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Old 2nd May 2003, 15:33
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Reports of Cuts Announcement

From today's Times...

May 02, 2003

CitiExpress faces more cost-cutting
By Russell Hotten



BRITISH Airways will today announce another round of cost-cutting at CitiExpress, its regional subsidiary, where pilots had threatened to strike.
CitiExpress, which has already gone through a restructuring, wants to save another £20 million, including £7 million this year.

David Evans, the managing director of CitiExpress, described the cost savings as critical to the airline’s future. In a statement to staff he said that “doing nothing is not an option”. He said: “The future of our regional operations is in our own hands, and we have to reduce our cost base immediately to avoid incurring losses.”

CitiExpress, formed from the merger of short-haul airlines, was restructured in an overhaul of BA’s operations after a big fall in business. BA has brought forward by six months a plan to save £450 million by next March.

About 21 routes have already been cut, along with bases at Cardiff and Leeds-Bradford airports. However, CitiExpress has begun services from London’s City Airport.


Grizly details to follow, no doubt...
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Old 2nd May 2003, 18:30
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I find it difficult to understand how the regional domestic services have turned in such losses.
I used to travel these routes very regularly from NCL, until they were almost all axed, and they were almost always 80-100% full.
I once sat down with a mate who was an ATR captain, and we worked out that at the then £280 flexible (egnt-egac) sector fare, four passengers would pay the fuel burn, landing/handling, flight crew, and apportionned lease charge for the aircraft.
Where does all the rest disappear? It costs 1p per transaction to BA to book on-line, and the £10 supplement more than covers the £4 cost of a telephone transaction. Could it be the excessive number of executives and accountants on their grossly inflated and undeserved salaries?
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Old 3rd May 2003, 01:04
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No News So Far.....

Wonder where the Times got its gen from....sounded like a press release...but nowt on BA, BBC or Reuters....though BA share price did close up 8% today, well ahead of market...and on double normal volume and price picking up sharply after 2pm...now we all know how the market likes to reward 'restructuring' aka 'cuts' ...so wonder what they know we don't...of course it could be that as Reuters claimed...' dealers said the airline was helped by an upgrade from Smith Barney and gains by U.S. peers after Merrill Lynch (NYSE: MER - news) said carriers may be through their worst'....guess we'll just have to watch this space...
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