Refusal to stamp Logbook
Like others, in the military, logbook checked and signed every month. In the Commercial world, I do not recall ever having to show my logbooks to anyone in an airline - certainly never had one stamped.
As I am old school, I retain the habit of filling in my logbook every night when I get home from flying - takes seconds.
As I am old school, I retain the habit of filling in my logbook every night when I get home from flying - takes seconds.
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Many Middle East and Far East based operators require stamped log books. My current employer requires a reference. Previous employer was very whimsical with stamping log books (and many other things). Ex colleagues had no other choice than getting it stamped by the Aviation Authority.
Refusal to stamp logbook
Gulfair recruiter in 1993 put it all in perspective. Rapidly arranged interview had me appear without log-books. Interviewer said ;"No worries. If you are not what you say you are, we will find out pretty quickly in the Sim!".
Interestingly, same company invited all pilots to present logbooks for regular verification and stamping.
In- between jobs, as a contract pilot, I thought it to be useful to have my entries verified and stamped although no-one actually requested the same at application stage. Transavia(Holland) thought it wise and willingly complied but said I was the only one requesting a monthly stamp. Well, the Sec was rather luvley.(got nowhere).
Interestingly, same company invited all pilots to present logbooks for regular verification and stamping.
In- between jobs, as a contract pilot, I thought it to be useful to have my entries verified and stamped although no-one actually requested the same at application stage. Transavia(Holland) thought it wise and willingly complied but said I was the only one requesting a monthly stamp. Well, the Sec was rather luvley.(got nowhere).
Under GDPR and/or FOI rules (or the relevant national equivalents), the "not obliged to share" bit may not apply.
EASA FCL says it all….
“The pilot shall keep a reliable record of the details of all flights flown in a form and manner established by the competent authority”
and:
“details of flights flown under commercial air transport may be recorded in an electronic format maintained by the operator.
In this case an operator should make the records of all flights operated by the pilot, including differences and familiarisation training, available upon request to the flight crew member concerned”
So I am assuming the company is sending you monthly updates via email?
and also, a logbook is legally binding via your signature.. not by some stamp and a gold star stuck in..
“The pilot shall keep a reliable record of the details of all flights flown in a form and manner established by the competent authority”
and:
“details of flights flown under commercial air transport may be recorded in an electronic format maintained by the operator.
In this case an operator should make the records of all flights operated by the pilot, including differences and familiarisation training, available upon request to the flight crew member concerned”
So I am assuming the company is sending you monthly updates via email?
and also, a logbook is legally binding via your signature.. not by some stamp and a gold star stuck in..
I've flown for four UK airlines. All of them signed and stamped my log book when I left, or when they had called in the receivers, (gone bust). I think they cross checked with total hours from their own records.
Thought it was standard practice.
Thought it was standard practice.
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A friend of mine was asked for a stamped certified logbook company. Had never had this done, or needed to (legit hours). He simply made a plausible looking stamp and used that. No problem.
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We used to have a similar stamp for gen decs on board (quite often missing). ME and India particularly, wouldnt accept them unless they had a some sort of stamp on it. Helped speed us on our way to the hotel.
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Where I work (EASA flag carrier) we do ask previous employer’s certified hours signed by the NPFO office + the command course diploma if we do need to hire Captains.
IMHO it does not make much sense to have somebody sign a logbook that can be easily edited afterwards, by adding a zero here and there to inflate the hours.
IMHO it does not make much sense to have somebody sign a logbook that can be easily edited afterwards, by adding a zero here and there to inflate the hours.
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In the age of digital logbooks, the number of paper logbooks dwindles every day. How’s the certification done with those? I haven’t had anyone sign/stamp/seal any of my professional flying records.
Where I work (EASA flag carrier) we do ask previous employer’s certified hours signed by the NPFO office + the command course diploma if we do need to hire Captains.
IMHO it does not make much sense to have somebody sign a logbook that can be easily edited afterwards, by adding a zero here and there to inflate the hours.
IMHO it does not make much sense to have somebody sign a logbook that can be easily edited afterwards, by adding a zero here and there to inflate the hours.
What on earth is a "command course diploma"? I've passed command courses in four European airlines and never heard of such a thing.
What are "certified hours"? My last employer (one of the two top Eu household names) did not keep personal records of our hours (or at least, did not keep them in a format accessible to us) more than a couple of years.
Just like "stamps in logbooks" it seems there is a variety of completely non-standard local aberrations that some seem to think are the industry norm when they simply aren't.
How about simply obtaining a Letter of Release? I received mine after the pandemic finished off my airline career. No logbook stamps needed. The letter stated who I was, the hours flown on a specific type, the date I joined and left and no record of accidents or incidents. Maybe it's different in the EU. My story was SE Asia.
The letter was signed off, stamped and I was given a handshake. Bye bye. Any new employer could then easily contact my previous airline and verify the letter as authentic. I recall it was a requirement for the airline to retain my hours etc for a period of five years after I had left.
The letter was signed off, stamped and I was given a handshake. Bye bye. Any new employer could then easily contact my previous airline and verify the letter as authentic. I recall it was a requirement for the airline to retain my hours etc for a period of five years after I had left.
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Reminds me of filling my tax forms... As far as stamped logbooks go they don't exist in my part of the world (Germany/national/JAR/EASA). There is no single stamp or signature in any of my logbooks that I keep since 1977 or 1978 and no one ever asked me for one. What would be the point anyway? If I can fake logbook entries, I can certainly fake a stamp and a signature as well.
I am old school too and always keep a paper log book. I don't trust such an important thing to electronic storage. I updated mine every day in the crew room after the duty, or in the hotel if we were down route.
