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Despite the somewhat interactive responses to my posts, I don't have a dog in this fight! I am solely expressing a personal point of view as an observer of the new BA uniform!! Please don't waste your time trying to interpret what I might or might not perceive as 'wokeness'! Have a good evening, and let's get back to the original poster's question. 
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I have taken two BA flights in the last four years ( pandemic interrupted of course) and not being a person who regularly flies International flights I was hugely disappointed with BA. Uniforms of their cabin crew were fine they were smart and just a uniform really all well booted and suited ,as far as I could see.
The aircraft on one occasion bit shabby, a bit off fluid leaking over a passenger doesn't help promote the airline. Not an airline pilot but I assumed probably part of the air con system all very well handled by the cabin crew. We all fly aircraft that may have or develop a non PAN emergency just a bit of a problem for the crew to deal with. For me it was the real face of the airline for jo traveller which is me and my family. Airlines like to promote better service for and I think me ( jo public) kinda like to think going on holiday paying a fair few bob you should make it a an enjoyable thing, but its not anymore.
I fear those days are gone the cabin crew after take off and in the cruise were not to be seen for the whole ten hours until about an hour before landing. I'm not blaming them at all, they did their occasional walk rounds but if a passenger wanted a drink the call button doesn't cut the mustard you have walk to back of aircraft to que to ask for one, The cabin crew were fantastic but I think restrained but SOPS or what ever you airline people call you normal operating procedures. WE can't expect 1st class service whilst in economy seats of course, just let your rear crew loose and do what they do well, be people persons.
The aircraft on one occasion bit shabby, a bit off fluid leaking over a passenger doesn't help promote the airline. Not an airline pilot but I assumed probably part of the air con system all very well handled by the cabin crew. We all fly aircraft that may have or develop a non PAN emergency just a bit of a problem for the crew to deal with. For me it was the real face of the airline for jo traveller which is me and my family. Airlines like to promote better service for and I think me ( jo public) kinda like to think going on holiday paying a fair few bob you should make it a an enjoyable thing, but its not anymore.
I fear those days are gone the cabin crew after take off and in the cruise were not to be seen for the whole ten hours until about an hour before landing. I'm not blaming them at all, they did their occasional walk rounds but if a passenger wanted a drink the call button doesn't cut the mustard you have walk to back of aircraft to que to ask for one, The cabin crew were fantastic but I think restrained but SOPS or what ever you airline people call you normal operating procedures. WE can't expect 1st class service whilst in economy seats of course, just let your rear crew loose and do what they do well, be people persons.
My sister’s been BA cabin crew for the last 34 years , long haul until they used Covid as an excuse to force everyone onto mixed fleet.
I can’t see her opting for a jumpsuit , no matter what the route / flight length is , but I can’t wait to ask what she thinks of it.
I can’t see her opting for a jumpsuit , no matter what the route / flight length is , but I can’t wait to ask what she thinks of it.
Pure and simple window-dressing for publicity and 'woke-ness'. An airline's job is to fly customers and freight from origin to destination safely ... and not to make a financial loss when doing so. What a waste of money for something that will be 'replaced' by something 'more appropriate' or 'more fashionable' in a few years time.
BA has a long way to come to reach its previous quality of service. This is not the way forward.
BA has a long way to come to reach its previous quality of service. This is not the way forward.
Would you actually want to wear a skirt because it would enable you to have a cr*p quicker?
Despite the somewhat interactive responses to my posts, I don't have a dog in this fight! I am solely expressing a personal point of view as an observer of the new BA uniform!! Please don't waste your time trying to interpret what I might or might not perceive as 'wokeness'! Have a good evening, and let's get back to the original poster's question.
I have taken two BA flights in the last four years ( pandemic interrupted of course) and not being a person who regularly flies International flights I was hugely disappointed with BA. Uniforms of their cabin crew were fine they were smart and just a uniform really all well booted and suited ,as far as I could see.
The aircraft on one occasion bit shabby, a bit off fluid leaking over a passenger doesn't help promote the airline. Not an airline pilot but I assumed probably part of the air con system all very well handled by the cabin crew. We all fly aircraft that may have or develop a non PAN emergency just a bit of a problem for the crew to deal with. For me it was the real face of the airline for jo traveller which is me and my family. Airlines like to promote better service for and I think me ( jo public) kinda like to think going on holiday paying a fair few bob you should make it a an enjoyable thing, but its not anymore.
I fear those days are gone the cabin crew after take off and in the cruise were not to be seen for the whole ten hours until about an hour before landing. I'm not blaming them at all, they did their occasional walk rounds but if a passenger wanted a drink the call button doesn't cut the mustard you have walk to back of aircraft to que to ask for one, The cabin crew were fantastic but I think restrained but SOPS or what ever you airline people call you normal operating procedures. WE can't expect 1st class service whilst in economy seats of course, just let your rear crew loose and do what they do well, be people persons .
The aircraft on one occasion bit shabby, a bit off fluid leaking over a passenger doesn't help promote the airline. Not an airline pilot but I assumed probably part of the air con system all very well handled by the cabin crew. We all fly aircraft that may have or develop a non PAN emergency just a bit of a problem for the crew to deal with. For me it was the real face of the airline for jo traveller which is me and my family. Airlines like to promote better service for and I think me ( jo public) kinda like to think going on holiday paying a fair few bob you should make it a an enjoyable thing, but its not anymore.
I fear those days are gone the cabin crew after take off and in the cruise were not to be seen for the whole ten hours until about an hour before landing. I'm not blaming them at all, they did their occasional walk rounds but if a passenger wanted a drink the call button doesn't cut the mustard you have walk to back of aircraft to que to ask for one, The cabin crew were fantastic but I think restrained but SOPS or what ever you airline people call you normal operating procedures. WE can't expect 1st class service whilst in economy seats of course, just let your rear crew loose and do what they do well, be people persons .
You may be paying a “fair few bob” for your holiday and thinking it is mostly flight costs. It isn’t. Flying has never been cheaper. Granted since we have come out of Covid it is slightly more, but that will equalise as capacity returns to normal. Flying is cheaper than driving, or taking a train. Don’t see too much service on a train, and my wife definitely gives no service whilst driving 😉
'It’s condescension, and every airline suffers the same problem. Warm cabin air mixing with cold aircraft skin.'
Condescension is more along the lines of Condensation is more along the lines of 'Warm cabin air mixing with cold aircraft skin.'
Condescension is more along the lines of Condensation is more along the lines of 'Warm cabin air mixing with cold aircraft skin.'
in a jumpsuit or similar you essentially have to strip off top/bottom to use the toilet. This is the issue
Get rid of the hat.
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Why are we wedded to the idea that new is the same as better?
I’m more interested in questions such as whether:-
The uniform is flammable.
Sufficient movement in the outfit is available to comfortably operate.
No restriction in movement to impede the administration of CPR to a heavy, collapsed casualty in the aisle.
Will it last or will shoddy manufacturing mean it falls apart in a week of use.
etc etc
I’m more interested in questions such as whether:-
The uniform is flammable.
Sufficient movement in the outfit is available to comfortably operate.
No restriction in movement to impede the administration of CPR to a heavy, collapsed casualty in the aisle.
Will it last or will shoddy manufacturing mean it falls apart in a week of use.
etc etc
"To be fair, I've been on BA flights that suffered from condescension. "
I thought it was their USP TBH
I thought it was their USP TBH
This is not my original but from a very experienced retired cabin crew member:-
I'm trying hard to imagine on a busy flight, wearing a jumpsuit and needing a tiddle .... unbutton and remove top, part of which manages to soak up some of the scum from the soggy sink area, before lowering it to drop the trousers, the bottoms which by now are absorbing the urine spills .... and whoops .... bit of unexpected turbulence causes a bit of a dribble over the crumpled outfit ...... Can't possibly come out of loo looking like that ........ Welcome to ''The Worlds Best Airline'', ''Well Take More Care of You'' ........ AND ...... wearing our fancy new outfits!!! SPEEDBIRD ...... come in SPEEDBIRD ........
I'm trying hard to imagine on a busy flight, wearing a jumpsuit and needing a tiddle .... unbutton and remove top, part of which manages to soak up some of the scum from the soggy sink area, before lowering it to drop the trousers, the bottoms which by now are absorbing the urine spills .... and whoops .... bit of unexpected turbulence causes a bit of a dribble over the crumpled outfit ...... Can't possibly come out of loo looking like that ........ Welcome to ''The Worlds Best Airline'', ''Well Take More Care of You'' ........ AND ...... wearing our fancy new outfits!!! SPEEDBIRD ...... come in SPEEDBIRD ........
My sister’s been BA cabin crew for the last 34 years , long haul until they used Covid as an excuse to force everyone onto mixed fleet.
I can’t see her opting for a jumpsuit , no matter what the route / flight length is , but I can’t wait to ask what she thinks of it.
I can’t see her opting for a jumpsuit , no matter what the route / flight length is , but I can’t wait to ask what she thinks of it.
As for the jumpsuit, that will be for female check-in staff at first but BA expects cabin crew to be able to wear them by the middle of the year - after further testing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64184902
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I always thought that part of BA’s USP was the smugness of the crew and the feeling of smugness they imparted to those pax who wanted to partake in that feeling of superiority? I once flew a 1:20 sector with Heathrow’s Favourite and the FO managed to squeeze in five(5) cloyingly condescending PAs which I thought was mightily impressive!
As for the uniform - I am surprised to still see differences between male and female staff in this age of equality and inclusivity. Why are they different if they are all the same these days?
As for the uniform - I am surprised to still see differences between male and female staff in this age of equality and inclusivity. Why are they different if they are all the same these days?
Because the UK is a pretty backward country these days, as you can see on this thread. A new uniform after 20 years -- that is so woke!!!!