WIZZ AIR Skiathos vid
Not sure how well that would go down back in Hungary though….
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I’ve flown into JSI several times this summer (and previous summers as well). A320. Call me crazy, but I kind of like flying into JSI. The PAPI is clearly visible, unlike a lot of other Greek islands. You can do pure visual approaches, or use the NDB appraches in Final App or VNAV on the 737. Low on final? Sure, but not as low as the Wizz bus.
From the north it is vital to land before the downhill part starts. Last landing with 180 pax, brake LO and full reverse. No problems at all.
From the south, a slight increase in sink rate on short final to make sure I land where I want. Yes, lower than usual. Avoid floating at all cost.
It’s a dry runway, so what is all the fuzz about? Wind is normally calm, visibility good.
Why are you talking about dispatch requirements? If you can meet them, use two alternates. Problem solved. In flight requirements applicable.
Never used brakes MED into JSI.
From the north it is vital to land before the downhill part starts. Last landing with 180 pax, brake LO and full reverse. No problems at all.
From the south, a slight increase in sink rate on short final to make sure I land where I want. Yes, lower than usual. Avoid floating at all cost.
It’s a dry runway, so what is all the fuzz about? Wind is normally calm, visibility good.
Why are you talking about dispatch requirements? If you can meet them, use two alternates. Problem solved. In flight requirements applicable.
Never used brakes MED into JSI.
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As someone who was trained to fly into JSI this year and have been several times, I wouldn't dream of "dipping in" like shown in the videos. The performance calculations are always factored anyway, and even a sensible touchdown and flare will have you passing the Northerly apron exit at almost turn off speed, that's just over 1/3 into that runway. It's very tempting I must admit!
But, using Autobake Max on a 737-800 puts loads of heat into them, and as your choice is to turn off on that exit or continue to the end to turn, is it really mechanically sympathetic to go for it? I kick off the autobrake and feather it to the end, saves time and enables me to not put anywhere near as much heat into the tyres. I also have a good 3 minute cool down for the engines before arriving on the ramp.
If that time saving and slamming it on and standing on the brakes is your way of looking after your aircraft and passengers then crack on. I'll keep on making it a bit smoother and comfortable for mine.
But, using Autobake Max on a 737-800 puts loads of heat into them, and as your choice is to turn off on that exit or continue to the end to turn, is it really mechanically sympathetic to go for it? I kick off the autobrake and feather it to the end, saves time and enables me to not put anywhere near as much heat into the tyres. I also have a good 3 minute cool down for the engines before arriving on the ramp.
If that time saving and slamming it on and standing on the brakes is your way of looking after your aircraft and passengers then crack on. I'll keep on making it a bit smoother and comfortable for mine.
Sorry, am going to take issue with this one.
You have no idea how they were trained or what’s set out in their procedures.
I will shed a little light on the subject.
They were very probably (although I can’t be 100% sure) sent into the sim to train for a narrow runway.
To start that sim would be an A320, not the A321 they were flying. Then the sim would be VERY unlikely to have dedicated Skiathos visuals. It would have been a generic airport, just with a 30m wide runway. They may not even have trained on one so short.
Then if they were very lucky, the captain may have sat on the jump seat to Skiathos before operating in there. If he/she did jumpseat, they would have seen a training captain do pretty much what they did. Why? Because that’s what happens in Skiathos. Maybe the trainer might have been 15-20 ft higher, but that’s about it.
If we go right back to basics at this place, the touch down markings (the bit you actually aim for) are 150m from the threshold. The PAPIs are at the same position. As FD has already pointed out, if you aim for these points (as you have been trained) your wheels over the threshold are 8ft. Probably about 30 over the road.
So their “willingness to press on” is because that’s how they were trained. It’s how we have ALL been trained. And it’s why EVERY approach into Skiathos looks like a minor variation of this one.
What I will end with (and it’s my last post on the matter, because I’m obviously not some Sky God, just an ordinary line guy) is if you think you could do better fill your boots. I feel for these Wizz guys, everything is stacked against them. And then some Cuck Yeager wanna be’s come on here and tell them how badly they have flown.
You have no idea how they were trained or what’s set out in their procedures.
I will shed a little light on the subject.
They were very probably (although I can’t be 100% sure) sent into the sim to train for a narrow runway.
To start that sim would be an A320, not the A321 they were flying. Then the sim would be VERY unlikely to have dedicated Skiathos visuals. It would have been a generic airport, just with a 30m wide runway. They may not even have trained on one so short.
Then if they were very lucky, the captain may have sat on the jump seat to Skiathos before operating in there. If he/she did jumpseat, they would have seen a training captain do pretty much what they did. Why? Because that’s what happens in Skiathos. Maybe the trainer might have been 15-20 ft higher, but that’s about it.
If we go right back to basics at this place, the touch down markings (the bit you actually aim for) are 150m from the threshold. The PAPIs are at the same position. As FD has already pointed out, if you aim for these points (as you have been trained) your wheels over the threshold are 8ft. Probably about 30 over the road.
So their “willingness to press on” is because that’s how they were trained. It’s how we have ALL been trained. And it’s why EVERY approach into Skiathos looks like a minor variation of this one.
What I will end with (and it’s my last post on the matter, because I’m obviously not some Sky God, just an ordinary line guy) is if you think you could do better fill your boots. I feel for these Wizz guys, everything is stacked against them. And then some Cuck Yeager wanna be’s come on here and tell them how badly they have flown.
Spot on - well said - It is the road that is too close to the threshold - that is all ( island = short of land , maybe) - if the road was 800 mtrs from the threshold like most other airports no-one would bat an eyelid
Just wondering, did you actually read the two preceeding posts?
