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Old 10th Aug 2022, 18:40
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WIZZ AIR Skiathos vid

Not sure if posted previously but your thoughts on this insanity?

WIZZ AIR SKIATHOS - Daily Record

My triple would have left its tyres in the sea….

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If that isn’t a good enough reason not to fly Wizz, then nothing will be😳😳😳😳
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 19:01
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 19:39
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The runway is narrow, 30m, did he think that he was higher than he was?The runway also has a marked upslope again distorting the visual perception
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 20:09
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
The runway is narrow, 30m, did he think that he was higher than he was?The runway also has a marked upslope again distorting the visual perception
In the video it seems they descend below the normal approach path at a specific point. Then they fly a very shallow final approach well below what would be normal.

From the outside it looks like pure showboating. Removing any margin for error, disgraceful.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 20:17
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I can think of one operator who will not operate a A321 into there
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First of all it wasn't a tripple 7, so a pointless comment. Secondly nothing particularly out of the ordinary for this airport (check out the hundreds of videos). Thirdly wrong forum for this sensationalist stuff!
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Originally Posted by FUMR View Post
First of all it wasn't a tripple 7, so a pointless comment. Secondly nothing particularly out of the ordinary for this airport (check out the hundreds of videos). Thirdly wrong forum for this sensationalist stuff!
There is no way he was @ 50ft over the threshold
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 20:35
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver View Post
There is no way he was @ 50ft over the threshold
Absolutely correct, and in a lot of airlines this would be a 'chat with no tea and biscuits' event. I can't believe how all the spotters stayed put!
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver View Post
There is no way he was @ 50ft over the threshold
There’s not many who are.
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There’s not many who are.
Then one day soon we’ll have a horrific accident, the smallest amount of sink on short finals and that’s it.

Lots of people defending a very unnecessary technique of flying significantly below the approach path. It’s not clever nor impressive.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 20:53
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With all the negativity Wizz are currently attracting, could this have been an attempt to fuel such negativity. Just an unsubstantiated thought.
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Originally Posted by Jonty View Post
There’s not many who are.
Jonty, but they should be. SOPs are there for good reason and performance calculations allow for touching down at the correct place. All well and good until there's an accident then the book would be thrown at the pilots via the FDR.

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Here’s one from the world’s favourite …

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Originally Posted by Lord Bracken View Post
Here’s one from the world’s favourite …

https://youtu.be/s0mfi7n76-I
I'll 100% guarantee that they got called in for a chat. Why do it?
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Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas View Post
In the video it seems they descend below the normal approach path at a specific point. Then they fly a very shallow final approach well below what would be normal.
The FR24 track indicates that, notwithstanding the low height over the fence, the approach from 2000' was flown at 3°.

(informational post only, no judgement implied)
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 22:24
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I would hazard a guess from the many youtube videos showing shallow approaches/low TCH that the issue isn't showboating (although it may be a factor). The issue is more likely a lack of faith in the performance figures resulting in landing short to get more runway to stop in. A feel good factor rather than wilful disobedience towards SOPs.

Why would pilot's have a lack of faith in the performance figures? Is it because they are so wildly conservative as to be almost meaningless? Or are they of little practical value even if they were more accurate; who comes to a complete stop on a runway ever during normal line operations? No-one unless it's a form of emergency.

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Originally Posted by Confusious View Post
Absolutely correct, and in a lot of airlines this would be a 'chat with no tea and biscuits' event. I can't believe how all the spotters stayed put!
Pointless yelling at people if you have a system wide training/culture problem (which from what I am reading about this operator, chances are high). Just fuels the fire really.

I wonder what injuries the locals would have sustained should they have conducted a missed approach over that sand.

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 02:44
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I make it about 12 foot from the wheels to the ground at 136m from the piano keys / 300m from the TDZ markings - and there's a displaced threshold on 01 for a reason.

Interestingly the runway is pixellated on the last Google Earth images. Older ones still ok.

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Originally Posted by FUMR View Post
First of all it wasn't a tripple 7, so a pointless comment. Secondly nothing particularly out of the ordinary for this airport (check out the hundreds of videos). Thirdly wrong forum for this sensationalist stuff!
I agree. Skiathos 02 LDA is 1570m. That's not much room in an A321 with over 240 people behind you. There's plenty of flight deck videos on YouTube of 737/320's from a variety of different operators approaching onto 02, the common factor is the aiming point and touchdown point seems to be well short of the 500' marks. Sometimes it's between them and the piano keys. Enough so that I'd say it's probably an SOP to have a short aiming point on this runway. In this case the main gear touchdown looks to be right at the start of the piano keys, well short for a normal runway but only marginally short for this one. Don't want to overrun, there's a steep drop off beyond the opposite threshold.

It isn't the fault of pilots that airlines are wanting them to fly bigger and faster aircraft onto runways originally built for much smaller aircraft. If anything the road in front of the threshold should be blocked off and an extension to the bitumen made all the way to the water. Maybe a boom gate system to stop traffic passing, or block off the road entirely? No pedestrians or spotters at all, it only takes a slightly low approach and a bit of thrust out the back for a serious injury.
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