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Look mate if I say I’m not jealous I really am not. After 40 plus years flying professionally I have had good landings and not so good landings like most of us I suppose. Either way within minutes I had forgotten about it and tried not to hit anything while taxiing to the stand. The point being I did not hang my ego or adjust my status to the last landing. I was also a trainer for 25 years ( yeah, big deal) and I tried to promote correct practice as per company / Boeing procedure. To go against that is asking for trouble.
As for the low blow about ‘being banned’ I could not give a toss. This was due to an innocuous remark I made about the Swedish teenager, nothing to do with this thread. The moderator went down the standard pc route and banned me. It’s hardly a prison sentence and did not bother me one jot. Freedom of speech, eh?
Why not stick to the thread rather than creepily checking on my history? By the way I spent 10 years on the aircraft you use as a user name. Try landing like that and you will run out of runway very quickly. The misinformation on this site is potentially dangerous. As a professional pilot you are paid to do the job properly. It is not fun, it is a job that you have a professional responsibility to carry out correctly. Simples.
As for the low blow about ‘being banned’ I could not give a toss. This was due to an innocuous remark I made about the Swedish teenager, nothing to do with this thread. The moderator went down the standard pc route and banned me. It’s hardly a prison sentence and did not bother me one jot. Freedom of speech, eh?
Why not stick to the thread rather than creepily checking on my history? By the way I spent 10 years on the aircraft you use as a user name. Try landing like that and you will run out of runway very quickly. The misinformation on this site is potentially dangerous. As a professional pilot you are paid to do the job properly. It is not fun, it is a job that you have a professional responsibility to carry out correctly. Simples.
Cheers Meester proach!!
I have done the same as the video a couple of times, unintentionally and thankfully not to the same degree. Trying to land the nose smoothly but a bit heavy handed on the back pressure, keeps the nose up further than one had intended. results in a wheelie as seen, but no issue, relax the back pressure and down she comes, just try to catch it if it's coming down from any height.
I would say as near as certain the crew didn't intentionally wheelie it down the runway. And maybe an evens chance that anything came out of it (they may have reported it, or it may have been flagged by sesma which could have resulted in a quick chat with the safety department but i doubt any further action). also remember we are operating with a lot less recency than normal. 777 pilots used to flying 6 trips a month are down to around 1 a month now.
I would say as near as certain the crew didn't intentionally wheelie it down the runway. And maybe an evens chance that anything came out of it (they may have reported it, or it may have been flagged by sesma which could have resulted in a quick chat with the safety department but i doubt any further action). also remember we are operating with a lot less recency than normal. 777 pilots used to flying 6 trips a month are down to around 1 a month now.
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Perhaps they had a nose gear steering problem indication 
? We've had aircraft coming in with 90° NG and so in that case it is the best to keep it up as long as possible.... 
? We've had aircraft coming in with 90° NG and so in that case it is the best to keep it up as long as possible....
My Dad (Ex RAF QFI) said any one you can walk away from is a good one and excellent if you can use the aircraft again.
1 out of two is OK and he did walk away with minor injuries
I "landed" (SLF) at Newcastle in a BEA Trident before they extended the runway, to say it was firm was a bit of an understatement. Departure next day, not an empty seat on the plane, involved a running start from the taxiway.
1 out of two is OK and he did walk away with minor injuries
I "landed" (SLF) at Newcastle in a BEA Trident before they extended the runway, to say it was firm was a bit of an understatement. Departure next day, not an empty seat on the plane, involved a running start from the taxiway.
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had logged 6000 hours as captain on ac, although no longer current on it.
I don't find the video outrageous but in general as the fctm specifies it is not a very effective form of braking but the main problem is as you slow down the elevator effectiveness reduces and the nose wheel will often come crashing down....and it isn't that hard to do- this is the natural tendency of the ac in many cases
I don't find the video outrageous but in general as the fctm specifies it is not a very effective form of braking but the main problem is as you slow down the elevator effectiveness reduces and the nose wheel will often come crashing down....and it isn't that hard to do- this is the natural tendency of the ac in many cases
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Ive seen many landings where the pilot lowered the nosewheel too harshly immediately after touchdown
Well said Olster! I’m starting to get a bit fed up with the way this forum is going. It’s supposed to be for professional pilots but some of the recent posts leave me wondering what sort of professional training and experience the contributors have?!
As others have pointed out; there may well be a valid reason for this particular example, but in general, it’s against all Boeing advice and airline SOPs with which I am familiar. So, if it was a “party trick” or a bit of showing off on ones last landing I can’t really condone it. I have: 747 9000hrs, including TRI/TRE and 787 4000hrs. A320 4000hrs and 737 5000hrs. Do I know it all? Of course not! I’m still learning to land my SEP predictably with 30000+ hrs total.
Did a practice glide approach back at base today, most of which was sideslipping to lose excess height! That’s what I love about flying; you never stop learning!
As others have pointed out; there may well be a valid reason for this particular example, but in general, it’s against all Boeing advice and airline SOPs with which I am familiar. So, if it was a “party trick” or a bit of showing off on ones last landing I can’t really condone it. I have: 747 9000hrs, including TRI/TRE and 787 4000hrs. A320 4000hrs and 737 5000hrs. Do I know it all? Of course not! I’m still learning to land my SEP predictably with 30000+ hrs total.
Did a practice glide approach back at base today, most of which was sideslipping to lose excess height! That’s what I love about flying; you never stop learning!
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Why are some so vindictive?
It was a landing. It looked good. Yes, i liked the view of it. But i never did it myself. Never saw a need. A little bit in the soft field landing procedure. And not one ounce of jealousy here, nor any sense of inferiority. It does look good especially when an F15 does it. The FCTM at least in my airline was something i could not ignore without risk to my career/job.
But why do some get so vindictive about others' opinions, especially when he has such experience? If you like it, then like it. Don't jump on someone for not recommending it or not feeling jealous or inadequate for not doing it. Do it at your own risk. But don't forget you have x number of passengers that will hold you responsible if anything goes wrong. Better be wrapped completely in that FCTM and FCOM.
But why do some get so vindictive about others' opinions, especially when he has such experience? If you like it, then like it. Don't jump on someone for not recommending it or not feeling jealous or inadequate for not doing it. Do it at your own risk. But don't forget you have x number of passengers that will hold you responsible if anything goes wrong. Better be wrapped completely in that FCTM and FCOM.
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Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.edit: from a spectator point of view; nice landing, wish I were there!
Fair comment! I didn’t read the section title; but I don’t believe that all the contributors on this thread have been spotters! Quite a few seem to be professional pilots, who are espousing less than professional opinions. All in my own humble opinion of course.
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PPRuNE is a funny place. Whenever somebody goes into the ground nose first, killing everyone onboard, there's always excuses. They were fatigued, they were startled, they encountered something they'd never seen in the sim... "Stop blaming the pilots"
But when someone does a perfectly safe landing, never once losing elevator authority and setting the nosewheel down perfectly smoothly, the lynch mob is out in full force because the crew didn't follow standard procedures. I'd rather fly with people who demonstrate positive control of their aircraft and break rules than people who follow the SOPs but get everyone killed.
But when someone does a perfectly safe landing, never once losing elevator authority and setting the nosewheel down perfectly smoothly, the lynch mob is out in full force because the crew didn't follow standard procedures. I'd rather fly with people who demonstrate positive control of their aircraft and break rules than people who follow the SOPs but get everyone killed.
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My Dad (Ex RAF QFI) said any one you can walk away from is a good one and excellent if you can use the aircraft again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecHHrq2hQg
1 out of two is OK and he did walk away with minor injuries
I "landed" (SLF) at Newcastle in a BEA Trident before they extended the runway, to say it was firm was a bit of an understatement. Departure next day, not an empty seat on the plane, involved a running start from the taxiway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecHHrq2hQg
1 out of two is OK and he did walk away with minor injuries
I "landed" (SLF) at Newcastle in a BEA Trident before they extended the runway, to say it was firm was a bit of an understatement. Departure next day, not an empty seat on the plane, involved a running start from the taxiway.
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Would the flight data recording actually monitor the point of nosewheel touchdown compared to mainwheel touchdown and flag it according to the RWY length in the database? There must be a great many more important target inputs and this particular parameter would seem to be somewhat frivolous,
I knew that all of the pilots here were gonna get spooled up
My only thought is that the pilot should get an aerobatic plane and enjoy, something tells me that he doesn't need aerobatic training though
My only thought is that the pilot should get an aerobatic plane and enjoy, something tells me that he doesn't need aerobatic training though
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I think this thread, albeit short, has shown what has happened to ‘modern’ aviation.
When I started flying longhaul, nearly 30 years ago, the Captains were of a different breed than they are today.
Looking at some of the comments, why shouldn’t people enjoy the job? I love it, have fun but you can do both and be professional.
Stop criticising. If someone ‘plants’ it then laugh. If a First Officer’greases’ it tell the pax and crew it was the Captain’s on the PA!
No thread drift.
I LOVED watching the 777 landing.
When I started flying longhaul, nearly 30 years ago, the Captains were of a different breed than they are today.
Looking at some of the comments, why shouldn’t people enjoy the job? I love it, have fun but you can do both and be professional.
Stop criticising. If someone ‘plants’ it then laugh. If a First Officer’greases’ it tell the pax and crew it was the Captain’s on the PA!
No thread drift.
I LOVED watching the 777 landing.
PPRuNE is a funny place. Whenever somebody goes into the ground nose first, killing everyone onboard, there's always excuses. They were fatigued, they were startled, they encountered something they'd never seen in the sim... "Stop blaming the pilots"
But when someone does a perfectly safe landing, never once losing elevator authority and setting the nosewheel down perfectly smoothly, the lynch mob is out in full force because the crew didn't follow standard procedures. I'd rather fly with people who demonstrate positive control of their aircraft and break rules than people who follow the SOPs but get everyone killed.
But when someone does a perfectly safe landing, never once losing elevator authority and setting the nosewheel down perfectly smoothly, the lynch mob is out in full force because the crew didn't follow standard procedures. I'd rather fly with people who demonstrate positive control of their aircraft and break rules than people who follow the SOPs but get everyone killed.