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Cloudtopper 7th Sep 2020 14:45

BA wheelie 777 @heathow
 
Given the video does not include whether any failures occurred prior to touch or during the roll out, if this was intentional, the attention gathered by most points to an amazing landing in some quarters ......

Then again, the FCTM alludes to something different .


Credit to Bigjettv for his video.




Barcli 7th Sep 2020 15:02

He will have had the phone call from one of the bullies aka Training Managers by now. Probably in the sim tomorrow......

Contact Approach 7th Sep 2020 15:38

Perhaps He/She is DCT CR so gave it their all "one last time".

Pugilistic Animus 7th Sep 2020 15:38

I wonder if the PIC will be doing the carpet dance soon.

ohitsro 7th Sep 2020 16:06

That was pretty sweet.

morton 7th Sep 2020 16:15

Ex-Vulcan pilot showing how long he can hold the nosewheels off?
Probably in the sim tomorrow...... to show them how to do it?

blind pew 7th Sep 2020 16:17

10 left
 
Did that often to clear at block 17 high speed with atc permission which saved us 5 mins taxy time without any problems..but then again I didn't work for big airlines anymore.

Mr Good Cat 7th Sep 2020 16:27

If it's a Captain on his CR final flight, I'm sure the FO will appreciate that it may have started the process of making it their final flight too.

Tashengurt 7th Sep 2020 16:32

As a layman, may I ask what's wrong with that? Didn't it used to be called aerodynamic braking or similar?

tcasblue 7th Sep 2020 16:40

Let me guess........auto brakes zero so the nose doesn’t come down trying to slam onto the pavement(sort of like the 727-200 was).

This was the kind of rollout one could get on the 747 on a regular basis.

FlyingStone 7th Sep 2020 16:42

Spoilers take care of that. They ironically only fully deploy after NLG touchdown in the case of B777 as it seems.

Locked door 7th Sep 2020 16:45

It isn’t an approved technique because it invalidates the landing performance calculation (although that particular runway is long) plus it significantly increases the risk of a tail strike as elevator authority decreases. Tyres on tarmac with the lift dumped (spoilers and low aoa) produce an order of magnitude more braking force than aerodynamic braking. It can help on a slippery grass runway but not on tarmac.

Why anyone would do it is beyond me, especially when LIFO+ includes MOP and disciplinaries.

Jet II 7th Sep 2020 16:58

Not really - the criteria for automatic deployment is:

The main landing gear is on the ground
The speedbrake lever is in the ARMED position
Both left and right thrust resolver angles are not at the takeoff position
Both thrust resolver angle signals are valid.

MM 27-62-00

michaelbinary 7th Sep 2020 17:19

well it may well not be according to procedure, but it was a sweet landing regardless if it was his last. :-)

Musket90 7th Sep 2020 17:57

Perhaps landing 27R and parking in T5 reduces taxi time if able to stay on the runway longer at higher speed and vacate near the opposite end provided of course ATC are happy with it.

Barcli 7th Sep 2020 18:14


Originally Posted by Musket90 (Post 10880297)
Perhaps landing 27R and parking in T5 reduces taxi time if able to stay on the runway longer at higher speed and vacate near the opposite end provided of course ATC are happy with it.

Yes it does but you still do not hold the nosewheel off the ground. You land in accordance with SOP,s - it will have triggered a SESMA event to which the crew may have to justify their actions

capngrog 7th Sep 2020 18:29

I thought that the narration was every bit as good as the landing.

Cheers,
Grog

OldLurker 7th Sep 2020 18:56

From the video, the manoeuvre seems to me to be elegantly executed. The flare attitude was held exactly, despite diminishing elevator authority, until the nose was lowered. There was no danger of a tail-strike at any time. The runway is long, and if ATC didn't need them to get off quickly because there was someone coming behind, they had no need for urgent speed reduction; rather the contrary, if this was 27R, as T5 is at the far end.

Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.

Spooky 2 7th Sep 2020 19:08

Amazing that a landing this benign would get you before any higher power at BA. Rather pathetic in the big picture. Nice landing BTW.

Dannyboy39 7th Sep 2020 19:16


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 10880323)
From the video, the manoeuvre seems to me to be elegantly executed. The flare attitude was held exactly, despite diminishing elevator authority, until the nose was lowered. There was no danger of a tail-strike at any time. The runway is long, and if ATC didn't need them to get off quickly because there was someone coming behind, they had no need for urgent speed reduction; rather the contrary, if this was 27R, as T5 is at the far end.

Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.

Skillful but stupid if in the unlikely event there was any intent - how much to get a Boeing field service team out to repair a tail strike and design it? Clue: it's a lot. Not to mention the ground time.


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