Icelandair fires ALL cabin crew
Guest
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 3,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
tonytales
Cabin certification is not the same as using qualified crew members to staff the cabin. At my airline all pilots and F/Es were qualified to be cabin crew for safety and emergency equipment operation purposes. I presume that is the same in Iceland.
Cabin certification is not the same as using qualified crew members to staff the cabin. At my airline all pilots and F/Es were qualified to be cabin crew for safety and emergency equipment operation purposes. I presume that is the same in Iceland.
Only half a speed-brake
Which does not cover the intra CC-to-CC teamwork such as fighting fires, necessary training to handle medical situations or full size abnormals i.e. getting the PAX prepared for emergency landing / ditching.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: on the way to sea
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,094
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Once Icelandair have managed to get into a situation when all other unions have agreed and just an arrogant lunatics of cabin crew union were out, they shall not be allowed back even free of charge. Icelandair was on a right path to get a fresh air into the system but now giving up once the smaller win was achieved.
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Somewhere or other
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm not so sure this is over.
I have been involved in several management/union contract re-negotiations (elsewhere). The union's officials need to bring their membership along, to vote for the deal they've agreed. Twice in a row, this union has failed to do that, with their members voting against them (including during the current COVID crisis).
Last time common sense says the cabin crew would have voted in favour - Icelanders can be a strong-willed bunch.
I have been involved in several management/union contract re-negotiations (elsewhere). The union's officials need to bring their membership along, to vote for the deal they've agreed. Twice in a row, this union has failed to do that, with their members voting against them (including during the current COVID crisis).
Last time common sense says the cabin crew would have voted in favour - Icelanders can be a strong-willed bunch.
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: away from home
Age: 62
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USofA
Posts: 1,235
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not much more than a record of your initial training / qualification. You don't even have to carry on you and of course no physical required. Most corporate FAs in the US far exceed anything seen in the air carriers here in the US. T call it. "just like the pilots" is a joke.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Manchester
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Based on what I've seen that licence may as well be given away with a cereal pack. I flew on an American mainline carrier flight last year where the hostie was so overweight as to require an extension seatbelt, hardly weight proportional to height!
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: NV USA
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not much more than a record of your initial training / qualification. You don't even have to carry on you and of course no physical required. Most corporate FAs in the US far exceed anything seen in the air carriers here in the US. T call it. "just like the pilots" is a joke.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
Tell me you can be an air carrier FA without one? It’s a piece of plastic just like the pilots, duh. No airline pilot in the US is qualified to be a FA, because you can arm and disarm a door doesn’t make you qualified. Must be very different in EASA land.
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Ultima Thule
Posts: 184
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
With the 4 operators I've worked for in EASA land I've have done most if not all of the safety training part of the FAs. Maybe the First Aid course is not as extensive but still a full day of action. We do fire fighting, smoke "diving" working in pairs, Arming, disarming and operating the doors both normally and in emergency. This might be looked upon as an abbreviated FA training but more often than not we do it along side the FAs during refresher training. How is it then under FAA?
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Between a rock & a hard place.
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cabin crew now have an attestation. I say now from a UK perspective, I think European carriers may have previously had/understood an attestation. My carrier now has this available online as they state EASA regulations require it to be produced, if asked by an authorised person.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: inv
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Somewhere or other
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's still down to the membership, it's the third time the union have agreed a deal with Icelandair and their members have rejected it twice. Let us see what happens. A lot of Icelandair cancellations so far this week (including my flight!), all is not smooth in the frozen north.
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Thailand
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just to put it in perspective, Emirates are asking some cabin crew to take four months unpaid leave to keep their jobs.
They will still be provided with company accommodation and medical cover.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN24O1D4
Re: IcelandAir, the cabin crew came back to the table and agreed a deal; the turkeys have another opportunity to vote for Christmas on the 27th July.
They will still be provided with company accommodation and medical cover.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN24O1D4
Re: IcelandAir, the cabin crew came back to the table and agreed a deal; the turkeys have another opportunity to vote for Christmas on the 27th July.
