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Icelandair fires ALL cabin crew

Old 19th Jul 2020, 13:35
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Cabin certification is not the same as using qualified crew members to staff the cabin. At my airline all pilots and F/Es were qualified to be cabin crew for safety and emergency equipment operation purposes. I presume that is the same in Iceland.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 14:42
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Which does not cover the intra CC-to-CC teamwork such as fighting fires, necessary training to handle medical situations or full size abnormals i.e. getting the PAX prepared for emergency landing / ditching.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 15:25
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update: https://onemileatatime.com/icelandai...ht-attendants/
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 17:20
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In the U.S. Flight Attendants are issued a license from the FAA just like pilots.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 19:35
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Once Icelandair have managed to get into a situation when all other unions have agreed and just an arrogant lunatics of cabin crew union were out, they shall not be allowed back even free of charge. Icelandair was on a right path to get a fresh air into the system but now giving up once the smaller win was achieved.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 19:36
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I'm not so sure this is over.

I have been involved in several management/union contract re-negotiations (elsewhere). The union's officials need to bring their membership along, to vote for the deal they've agreed. Twice in a row, this union has failed to do that, with their members voting against them (including during the current COVID crisis).

Last time common sense says the cabin crew would have voted in favour - Icelanders can be a strong-willed bunch.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 20:47
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Originally Posted by cappt View Post
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In the U.S. Flight Attendants are issued a license from the FAA just like pilots.
There is no Cabin Crew licence in EASA land (which includes Iceland). Just a written confirmation of training.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 21:28
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Not much more than a record of your initial training / qualification. You don't even have to carry on you and of course no physical required. Most corporate FAs in the US far exceed anything seen in the air carriers here in the US. T call it. "just like the pilots" is a joke.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 22:21
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Based on what I've seen that licence may as well be given away with a cereal pack. I flew on an American mainline carrier flight last year where the hostie was so overweight as to require an extension seatbelt, hardly weight proportional to height!
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 03:01
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I flew on a number of carriers in 2019 and observed more than one PILOT WITH 4 STRIPES working their way into the cockpit who i WOULD BET ALSO NEEDED A SEATBELT EXTENSION.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 04:03
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Originally Posted by Spooky 2 View Post
Not much more than a record of your initial training / qualification. You don't even have to carry on you and of course no physical required. Most corporate FAs in the US far exceed anything seen in the air carriers here in the US. T call it. "just like the pilots" is a joke.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...008/FACert.pdf
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Tell me you can be an air carrier FA without one? It’s a piece of plastic just like the pilots, duh. No airline pilot in the US is qualified to be a FA, because you can arm and disarm a door doesn’t make you qualified. Must be very different in EASA land.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 05:44
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With the 4 operators I've worked for in EASA land I've have done most if not all of the safety training part of the FAs. Maybe the First Aid course is not as extensive but still a full day of action. We do fire fighting, smoke "diving" working in pairs, Arming, disarming and operating the doors both normally and in emergency. This might be looked upon as an abbreviated FA training but more often than not we do it along side the FAs during refresher training. How is it then under FAA?
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 11:42
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser View Post
There is no Cabin Crew licence in EASA land (which includes Iceland). Just a written confirmation of training.
Cabin crew now have an attestation. I say now from a UK perspective, I think European carriers may have previously had/understood an attestation. My carrier now has this available online as they state EASA regulations require it to be produced, if asked by an authorised person.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 12:10
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Sounds like the cabin crew have backed down

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/n...QiAyeR-40H_KNw
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 11:17
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It's still down to the membership, it's the third time the union have agreed a deal with Icelandair and their members have rejected it twice. Let us see what happens. A lot of Icelandair cancellations so far this week (including my flight!), all is not smooth in the frozen north.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 15:15
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Sorry, but - in any business - it's all about the money. Without that, no one works.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 18:34
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Just to put it in perspective, Emirates are asking some cabin crew to take four months unpaid leave to keep their jobs.

They will still be provided with company accommodation and medical cover.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN24O1D4

Re: IcelandAir, the cabin crew came back to the table and agreed a deal; the turkeys have another opportunity to vote for Christmas on the 27th July.
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