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There Goes Transatlantic Air Travel.

Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:01
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post
Fly into Canada and then sneak across the border. Southbound should work as well as Northbound has worked for the past few Liberal years.
You think America would allow Europeans across the Canada/USA border without passports? 🤔
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:12
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I'm guessing planes, if flying, where mostly empty anyway. At least now it seems he is in control...
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:15
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Sounds like this is the start of countries putting up walls and closing borders. Once the numbers explode in the U.K, I assume the ban will be extended to there too. Maybe the US and the U.K. need a tenth man? 😉
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:33
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He is a laughable goon, saying ‘look at how in control we are not like those reckless European’s’. Does the US President not realise that the virus is already out of control and spreading in the USA and the only reason the numbers are low is because the US either doesn’t want too or can’t test en-masse. The US will be Italy on steroids in 10-14 days, what will the Don’s excuse be then. South Korea is testing 20,000 people per day and have a mortality rate of approx. 0.5%, the USA has tested around 2500 TOTAL and has a mortality rate of approx 4-5% which either means your treatments are inferior or the number of cases is woefully under reported. I know which one my money is on, on the plus side Donald got to have a 10 minute pat on the back session live on TV. Oh how the world currently needs a strong leader but all we have are chumps.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:37
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So the UK becomes the U.S. offshore quarantine/incubation area? Passengers from high-infection rate Schengen countries wishing to travel to the U.S. are effectively being re-directed into the UK for 14 days (or less if they're not honest to the U.S. authorities about point of origin), during which they may or may not be Coronavirus carriers.
If the latter, then no problem for the U.S. which just bans U.K. flight origin as well after our rate rises. Brilliant!
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:45
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If you seriously believe the UK will still be on an exemption list this time next week then I want some of what you’re smoking..
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 06:47
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Glad Donald, while busy with his crisis management, still had some time to get cosy with buddy Boris..
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:14
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How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:19
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It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.

Originally Posted by DieselOx View Post
This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:34
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Originally Posted by Eutychus View Post
How does this work for pilots of any provenance, please? Does the ban not apply if they stay airside?
Aircrew, assuming they have a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa, are exempt.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:44
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This is starting to get properly worrying, how is this going to end? There’s not an airline in the world that will survive this (without government support anyway) if this goes on for longer than a couple of months. When the problem abates how are we going to rebuild if there’s no airlines left?
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:45
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The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel. Doesn’t apply to cargo, though presumably does to cargo pilots.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:45
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Originally Posted by ReturningVector View Post
It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.
You are right, absolutely. But to blame it on Europeans is poor taste and purely political. He even uses this “foreign” virus as an argument to build the wall.


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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:47
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Originally Posted by deltahotel View Post
The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel. Doesn’t apply to cargo, though presumably does to cargo pilots.
drones!

if it does than Europe should immediately close their airspace for US cargo carriers in response. Good chance that those pilots have been in corona infected countries in the last 14 days as well.


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Old 12th Mar 2020, 07:56
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The ban is for anyone who has been in Schengen within 14 days of travel.
So the country from which travellers to the US would have departed from bears the brunt of extra bodies all waiting for the exclusion period to end ... and could risk to 'funnelling' many more folk into the UK. The 'host' country would certainly find financial and health care resources stretched far beyond national projections ....
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:01
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Although UK is exempt for now, this ruling will surely create many more empty seats for BA with all of their states bound connecting traffic from Europe now gone. Most premium corporate traffic was already gone.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:13
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Originally Posted by ReturningVector View Post
It is for the same reason Italy went in lockdown when the virus was already wreaking havoc: To spread the number of sick people over a longer time.

That way you will have a less intense ‘peak’ that puts a burden on the medical infrastructure.

It is not so stupid as you might think, it is the way to go according to experts. You will not stop the virus, most people will get sick, but spreading it over a longer time helps in relieving the pressure on your hospitals and clinics somewhat.
The US has no national, integrated healthcare system. Under this administration they have cut the Complex Crisis Fund and the CDC funds to prevent global disease outbreaks by 80%. Very little testing for Covid-19 has been performed given the size and population of the country, they don't know what the scale of the infection is right now and factors such as the absence of health insurance (or the cost of getting tested for those that do) is just going to allow it to spread unchecked. Donald Trump believes he is a "stable genius" and that he alone can make decisions to protect US Citizens. Hmmm. The virus doesn't care about politics and DJT, it won't yield to presidential decrees.

To restrict international travel is not necessarily the wrong thing to do. Whether this is right measure at the right time is a question for the experts. To blame the virus on the EU, and then omit the UK from the travel restrictions when we are probably no more than 3 or 4 days behind France, Germany, Spain in terms of this outbreak is illogical and sounds very Trump. There must always be a scapegoat and today its the EU. I fear for the US in this pandemic, without a consistent, top-down, expert & evidence-led set of public health decisions, the US will have the greatest death rate in the developed world.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:41
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So the trans Atlantic flight restrictions are to protect those in the USA . "Protecting the American people from threats to their safety is the most important job of the President of the United State" Trump says on Twitter.

ere really ?? - just like sorting out gun ownership and protecting the 15,292 people in 2019 that were fatally shot dead in the country ,what a joke!


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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:42
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As a lot of widebodies will need to be parked, airport congestion is going to be a whole different problem.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 08:46
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I have heard from a source at BA that some of their 380s are flying around with 300 empty seats on some UK-USA sectors. This has probably just increased that to 400!
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