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Old 12th Mar 2020, 18:04
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/o...gtype=Homepage

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...failure-123166
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Ian W
This is explained via the link below

#FlattenTheCurve

The idea is that reducing the peak load on the health services they will not break down.
Hmmm.

Shame they had to devalue the message with the stupid comment that "it's just like a cold or flu".
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 18:11
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Ireland exempt....I expect that to change obviously, but if anything other countries should be banning US flights, there's been virtually no testing in the States, they have no idea where it is in reality, there'll be an explosion over there in the coming weeks, and given the appalling cost of healthcare and testing, there'll be thousands of people with it not reporting.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 18:14
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Originally Posted by BRE
Except that we can enter the UK with our ID cards which physically look just like driver's licences or credit cards. Hard to stamp.
Good luck with Homeland Security.

"Italian passport Sir? Step this way Sir."
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 19:02
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Travel to US.

Without a valid ESTA , visa, or Canadian passport you are not permitted to board an aircraft to the US.
So the Border agency have little or no problem in restricting travel from designated areas.
Could be I am oversimplifying but that is my understanding of the rules.
Canada has similar pre travel documentation requirements and if you intend to enter the US from a major Canadian airport
you have to pre clear US customs and immigration in Canada..
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 19:54
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Originally Posted by procede
As a lot of widebodies will need to be parked, airport congestion is going to be a whole different problem.
I'd guess a bunch of secondary airports with runways long enough for an empty widebody might be seeing some unexpected traffic as these airframes need to be parked somewhere. Lufthansa are already parking a couple of dozen aircraft at the yet-to-open Berlin Brandenberg
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 20:56
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Originally Posted by alfaman
According to your own map, number 9 on the hit parade - fewer than: Italy, France, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, & Sweden, and a third of the number known in the US...
True.
Number 15 in the world
Numer 9 in EU (27 contries)
I confirm, one of the most infected in the world and in Europe.

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Old 12th Mar 2020, 21:33
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Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot
It’s meant to be a stupid comment he’s making: it’s an animated GIF illustrating the effects of different attitudes to the disease, but that doesn’t show up in the version as quoted.
Here are the two scenes in the animation.



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Old 12th Mar 2020, 23:04
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Originally Posted by zoigberg
The virus is here. On the island already. Won’t make a jot of difference
And in two weeks Cheltenham attendees will fill your hospitals to bursting. Utter stupidity them going ahead with that.
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Old 12th Mar 2020, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc
And in two weeks Cheltenham attendees will fill your hospitals to bursting. Utter stupidity them going ahead with that.
Maybe. Maybe not.

We're told that transmission of the virus is related to your proximity to a carrier, so common sense would suggest that it's less likely in the open air than in confined spaces.

That's supported by the fact that countries such as Austria and France are banning smaller indoor gatherings than outdoor ones.

What would the Cheltenham attendees be doing, and where, if they weren't at the meeting ? Would they then be more or less at risk ?
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 00:53
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Funny coincidence, all the experts on US foreign policy just a few months ago are also also experts on pandemics and their spread this month.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 02:05
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Please present facts and information, please leave politics and slurs out...

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Old 13th Mar 2020, 03:59
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Originally Posted by DieselOx
This is a supremely stupid action. The virus is already here.

Whatever, they'll figure that out in a couple weeks.

Anyone questioning why they did this? Sheer incompetence, nothing else.
Blameshifting. The budgets for CDC have been given several massive cuts since 2016, that's why they don't even know how many people inside the USA are affected because they didn't have any test kits prepared until recently.
Read these articles and weep.
  1. Washington Post article:
  2. Second WP article
  3. Forbes article - still making cuts four weeks ago!!!
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 04:56
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US is not the only country shutting down borders. It seems Kuwait has & India has also done a 30 day ban of all foreigners as well as permanent residents who were out of the country at that time.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 10:55
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Maybe. Maybe not.

We're told that transmission of the virus is related to your proximity to a carrier, so common sense would suggest that it's less likely in the open air than in confined spaces.

That's supported by the fact that countries such as Austria and France are banning smaller indoor gatherings than outdoor ones.

What would the Cheltenham attendees be doing, and where, if they weren't at the meeting ? Would they then be more or less at risk ?
Trackside is one thing, in the tents, stands, restaurants, surrounding bars and towns is another. Think of all the money changing hands. Many affected countries have banned outdoor events of more than a few hundred. As you say, time will tell.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 12:37
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Austria has closed ski resorts from Sunday for the rest of the season and you cannot get much more outdoors than that. Having said that the first person I actually know, who tested positive and has had symptoms, picked it up last weekend on a ski trip with family friends, one of whom apparently got it on a business trip.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Ian W
This is explained via the link below

#FlattenTheCurve

The idea is that reducing the peak load on the health services they will not break down.
A travel ban would have helped, in late Jan or first week of Feb in the US, but now it actually makes things worse. The best science, studied for years by the WHO, concludes this:

" but the W.H.O. has repeatedly warned that international [travel] bans can block needed resources, or delay aid and technical support. Such restrictions are justified only at the beginning of an outbreak to buy nations time to prepare, the agency said. Beyond that, they are more likely to cause significant economic and social harm."

I stand by my statement that the ban is a supremely stupid action. We need to listen to the actual experts if we want a half a chance. We are way past the point where containment mode will do anything. All we can do now is mitigate, but the US is still trying to contain. Idiotic.

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Old 13th Mar 2020, 15:21
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Lufthansa will seek government assistance, according to the Handelsblatt, the German business paper.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/unterne.../25642214.html

They are probably just trying to be first in line, it will be a very long list of applicants.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 15:33
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Lufty talked very openly about applying for short work (Kurzarbeit) grants from the government already weeks ago. Of course they want to be the first to apply for government grants, they are still seen by many in the government as the nationalized local airline, so they will get pretty much everything they want until someone complains to the EU commission.
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