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Pegasus accident in SAW; just reported

Old 5th Feb 2020, 15:48
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Originally Posted by AviatorDave
Is Runway 06 confirmed? With that METAR and a 737-800, how could they even think of using this runway?
Well, FlightRadar24 shows whole flight pretty nicely. I can not imagine it being so wrong that it would mess this up. Probably weather east of airport forced them to use 06.

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Old 5th Feb 2020, 15:49
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S**tty day with a potentially 27kt tailwind. Sound decision making all round🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️. Having worked in this part of the world, I’m hardly surprised unfortunately. Still would have gone for the “greaser” no doubt.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 15:51
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Rescue efforts

Someone on twitter has linked to live Turkish news showing ongoing rescue efforts so I don't think we can know for certain if there are fatalities yet.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:00
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Pegasus again!!
???
Airframe broke in 3 pieces again !!!
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:06
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Reported 171 SLF, 6 crew. 52 injured, no fatalities but also reporting no contact with cockpit crew. Some saying hard landing and overrun,
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:10
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Hello,

why did tower clear them to land with 17kt gusting 27kt tailwind on 06? There is no way you make it with such a bird.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:16
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Originally Posted by AviatorDave
Is Runway 06 confirmed? With that METAR and a 737-800, how could they even think of using this runway?
Sounds like 06 was in use, right before the crash ground said there would be a runway change, wind was given as 270 degrees at 25 knots. After the mishap comms switched to Turkish on the LiveATC.Net tape.

Here's the recording: https://archive-server.liveatc.net/l...2020-1500Z.mp3

The crash occurs about 20 minutes into the recording.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:16
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Are we seriously suggesting they landed with a tailwind of that strength and a wet runway?

if so what on earth were they thinking, absolute clowns.

if that is the case their AOC must now be pulled after 3 similar events in the last couple of years.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:18
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For what it's worth, looks as if the THY90B from MUC went around just before PGT87R landed.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:20
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Originally Posted by EDLB
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why did tower clear them to land with 17kt gusting 27kt tailwind on 06? There is no way you make it with such a bird.
It’s not the Tower’s problem if You want to land well outside your aircraft (and common sense) limits. There should be a couple of guys upfront taking care of it.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:25
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Landed 1520Z Runway 06. Notam issued 1531Z.

METAR LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=

We don't have exact wind measurement at touchdown yet, but which insurance company will be willing to do business with Pegasus still?
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:31
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From FR24 and Google Earth the last data point looks like it is probably accurate. From the ADS-B data they were still airborne past intersection G-M, more than halfway down the 9843 foot runway.

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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:46
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Originally Posted by sonicbum
It’s not the Tower’s problem if You want to land well outside your aircraft (and common sense) limits. There should be a couple of guys upfront taking care of it.
According to LiveATC record, tower notified crew previous two acft performed GA due to tailwind.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 16:51
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Another 3 part NG...
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:04
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Definitely 06, worked in THY Technics for 5 months last year and passed the exact spot twice a day....
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:05
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Here's the FlightRadar24 blog post with the granular dataset:

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/p...y-in-istanbul/
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:29
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My guess

My guess would be low on fuel after holding leaving no options. I always take an obscene amount of extra when TS is on the menu.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:29
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Originally Posted by Rarife
Well, FlightRadar24 shows whole flight pretty nicely. I can not imagine it being so wrong that it would mess this up. Probably weather east of airport forced them to use 06.
Really? Was there an emergency that mandated getting down immediately? Otherwise, I would have suggested a diversion.
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Old 5th Feb 2020, 17:37
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Originally Posted by AviatorDave
Really? Was there an emergency that mandated getting down immediately? Otherwise, I would have suggested a diversion.
Where did I say that? I just said that according to FR24 they were for 06 which is obviously true. And they probably were not the only going for this RWY in this weather. Maybe there was something in arrival/approach for 24. I was just commenting the decision for 06.
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The Trabzon incident was caused by the Captain overriding the FO whom had elected to go around due to vis being below the required minima. The aircraft landed deep with one reverser locked out and slewed off to the left. The crew tried to cover the mess up by claiming the trust levers advanced, which is possible if the aircraft lands in TOGA mode..which i did, real issue is the decision to continue to land. The last skid off at SAW was clearly pilot error, wet runway, landing with rudder applied and over controlling. This latest fiasco is yet another example of the gung- ho attitude and commercial pressures on the crews. I've landed at SAW hundreds of times, it's not unusual to have a tail wind whilst descending on the 06 ILS, especially above 400 AGL. If the TWC is out of limits, which it apparently may have been, the correct action must be taken, as demonstrated by previous aircraft. I know may PGS crews, they are not all cowboys and in fairness the management did mark some cards after the Trabzon incident, seems some slipped through the net!
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